Hmmm, Sounds like a DMA issue to me. Do any of you with a seperate sound card and IDE controller have issues like these?

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@wegster

Yes, but seems to me that some have wireless, some use Sii680 and
so on and they usually seem to have less problems or none.

To catch the bug all users that do a "test" should use the same setup
as those that get the lockup, ie. use internal VIA IDE+emu10k driver.
If you can get ANYONE which use this setup WITHOUT lockups then you're
in trouble

EDIT:
If it's this combination that causes problems then it should be
reproducable in a µA1-C aswell. Hmm I have this spare Audigy card, maybe
I should try it in my µA1-C

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Hmmm, Sounds like a DMA issue to me. Do any of you with a seperate sound card and IDE controller have issues like these?

Yes, most of us are using SB Live's and Sii 0680's, so it's not a DMA issue in that sense, at least.

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@zerohero

Could still be a DMA issue even if you're using a Sii680. But I think AciII is
referring to Articia S which I suppose he thinks is crap.

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@Samwel

Well it is crap, but that's a completely different thread...

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@Samwel

Btw is there anyone that uses the Envy24HT + internal VIA IDE combination?
Any lockups?

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@Samwel and ALL


PLEASE read my first post in this thread- ALL of these questions have been answered there already.

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Samwel wrote: @wegster Yes, but seems to me that some have wireless, some use Sii680 and so on and they usually seem to have less problems or none.

Again, if it's a Via 686B/SB interaction problem, it's irrelevant. it's possible, but very unlikely this is a network driver problem. It could be a PCI bus problem in general, or maybe in IRQ handling, with the SB Lives being the easiest way to reproduce this under load...bear in mind, we currently have few 'other cards' or ways to generate traffic aside from ethernet right now.

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To catch the bug all users that do a "test" should use the same setup as those that get the lockup, ie. use internal VIA IDE+emu10k driver. If you can get ANYONE which use this setup WITHOUT lockups then you're in trouble

That would be why we're gathering data. We're still trying to confirm what seems to be the case right now- with SB (Live and others) and network traffic, causing a reproducible lockup on otherwise known good systems. (ie, correct VCore, coolking, FSB settings, RAM).

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EDIT: If it's this combination that causes problems then it should be reproducable in a µA1-C aswell. Hmm I have this spare Audigy card, maybe I should try it in my µA1-C

I would very much like to see the results of that one, although I'm not 100% sure the Audigy has the same issue as the SB Live seems to. Can you even disable the onboard sound on the uA1s?

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Btw is there anyone that uses the Envy24HT + internal VIA IDE combination? Any lockups?

Yes, replacing the SB Live with a Juli or Envy24HT card SOLVED THE PROBLEM. See my first post.

I have a phase28 coming this week to try repeat the same tests with as well.

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@Acill

Please read the entire thread of 400+ posts and an almost uncountable number
of reads. I'm sure you will understand the nature of the problem after your
reading.

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No problems here, using an XE. SB Live! card installed BUT I also have a sii0680 installed so not the onboard VIA for ide. 4 large downloads, amigaamp playing a big playlist and continuing browsing. Everything happy.

Some issues:
1. I'm using a sii680 too via is disabled in uboot, the d/l went to ram, no actual disk i/o was going on except of loading the c:md5sum ad c:delete in test script, I'll try to rerun the test with the utils loaded as resident

2. What total incoming network traffic was due to downloads?

3. What is the chpset? (should be written in one of the card corners, two letters followed by two digits)

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Has anyone tested this with Linux as well?

Yup:
2.4.27 is rock solid during the tests, but during the night can crash while being idle, nothing relevant /var/log/messages
2.6.9-064 is behaving really mad here when network is heavily loaded (even with sblive removed).

But I have some suspects here, testing now.

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@wegster

All night with out any problem with. Amplifier in loop with 50 mp3s, dnet running, ibrowse downloading 2 big iso.

I repeat my self again, at least for me it was only a vcore and heat problem.


I hope you track down the problem.

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System specs and soundcard used?

(see full first post, I'm not disputing heat may be the issue for some cases.)

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In some cases it is probably a heat prob. Here I can compile kernels and other apps requiring lengthly compilations without any problem. What I didn't check if there's something other than cpu that gets overheated (although there's a 2.4.27 kernel which seems to igonre the stress). Any suggestions what to start with?

TIA,
Jack

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@wegster

His site says Sound Blaster Live and Sii680. Not VIA IDE then.


Ikir maybe you could do the same test with internal VIA?
Or your A1 is not fixed?

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@Samwel

no, acill is just trying to stirr up the thread(s) AS USUAL!.

he needs to grow up soon.

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@wegster

I have just downloaded two iso images together using IBrowse and continued to surf with Aweb for over 2 hours now. AmigaAMP is still playing now as I type with no ill effects.
My system specs are
A1XE 800Mhz
512M ram
Soundblatser live player 1024 with emu10k in 2nd slot from bottom
Sii0680 ide card in slot above.

@Arnie

So do you have a fixed A1? If so please try again with the VIA IDE!
Also could you try to put your Sound Blaster in different PCI slots?

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@wegster

Hmm Is there any XE user with a "fixed" motherboard that has reported
NO lockups? Seems the lot is Sii680+not fixed motherboards that report
everything is working fine.

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@Arnie
Thanks for chiming in.

Hmm, so that makes you and Ikir = no problems, both with sii controllers. Crap, I'm gonna need MORE new hardware at this rate!

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Q: do I have a fixed A1

No my VIA ide is switched off in uboot.

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