@Tomas

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Tomas wrote: @Arko Nothing to do with amiga besides name

Some people seems to be loyal to the name only.

The hardware of an Amiga and the AmigaONEs doesn't have much to do with each other. I could use x86 in Classic Amigas and I could use PPC.

And the OS ? Both a rewrites:
"Hyperion has been actively developing AmigaOS 4.x, an almost complete rewrite" Source: http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=53

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Wizzard_o

Why should that change? If you have all that systems i suspect it's because you like the OS they run, so just continue to enjoy it.

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@Manu

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Manu wrote: @Tomas Quote: AROS is still nowhere near as mature as OS4.1 either... They keep saying that as some kind of comfort. But AROS are mature in some areas where OS4 isn't too. Personally I await the day when AW users stops the p*ssing contests.

It still lacks basic software that is needed on a desktop system even if it runs stable on compatible hardware.
OS4.x has a much larger userbase and got at least backwards compatiibility through emualation for software that dosent run natively.

@Tomas


agreed... OS 4.x, in general, is still ahead.

But, if the development is not substantially accelerated AROS could soon catch up and overtake... which, IMHO, would be very, very bad looking for a official OS which comes only with hardware costing north of 1000 euros.

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@jingof

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jingof wrote: To be discouraged by the efforts of the chop shop and the con artist, from contributing to X1000 would be like throwing out your Mercedes Benz, because some guy in a trailer was building a go-cart from used parts and sticking pretty, name-brand labels on it.

BUT, you have to admit that this scheme just might work IF it comes with a coupon for a free
T-Shirt.

@Wizzard_o

Why?

You are vastly over reacting and I am disappointed that so many users are being so short-sighted especially with what the Amiga has been through. Some unprofessional chancers peddling the Amiga name have sold the 'rights' - which they only now hold with the greatest uncertainty after the Hyperion victory - to some more unprofessional chancers that want to stick a badge on a PC.

It will all blow over in a couple of months and you will wonder what the fuss was about.

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@Tomas

Aros userbase is growing, more apps are ported all the time. And Aros has UAE intergration that runs legacy software. Aros can be used with laptops and desktops and can be made dual boot with Windows/Linux so you don't have to buy a second machine just to have your Amiga experience.

Best of all it doesn't cost you a fortune you can give the extra money to developers instead (to support them) that you otherwise would have had to shell out on hardware manufacturers re-inventing the wheel.

AROS isn't far behind at all it depends on how you look at it and what's important to you.

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@Arko

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Look, CommodoreUSA has just announced to do what Hyperion could have done two years ago. Hyperion could have supported cheap hardware, from used PPC Macs to new x86 boards, they could have switches to use AROS.

Eh? How is offering PCs with Amiga stickers on it offering us something new?

We can get that now. If the idea that there may be some funding of AROS development will bring a huge stampeding customer base - then prepare to be immensely disappointed.

All this is is someone trying to use the Amiga name to sell some PCs with a vague hint of some investment in AROS. It's nothing - it's just noise.

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@-Sam-

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-Sam- wrote: @Arko Eh? How is offering PCs with Amiga stickers on it offering us something new?

You are right, cheap Amiga labeled hardware is not new, it was very common when I bought an Amiga. But I preferred the desktop Amigas.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Argosy

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That I cannot agree with... They are moving amiga somewhere between 2000 and 2005

I said they "are doing"... I didn't say they were done. Sure there is more work to be done. Of course, it doesn't happen overnight, that you catch up with Microsoft's and Linux's legends given a 10 year head-start with a comparatively minuscule team of engineers.

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and on the wrong platform at that.

Wrong platform? You've suggested x86 elsewhere, so I guess that's where you're going with this. At risk of devolving into that discussion again, I'll try to address this point in a way that x86 proponents might hopefully understand (without labeling the PPC camp as "backward-thinking").

_My opinion_ about why x86 makes no sense (for AOS) is, in a nutshell:

--> The PPC 'mistake' was made long ago, when it was far less clear how things would turn out.

--> an x86 port is PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE for a market size of ~1500, meaning no business case exists to go back now and correct this decade-old mistake.

Businesses don't operate to fulfill our druthers. They exist to make a profit. Hyperion is no different. Even if Hyperion agreed x86 was the way forward, Hyperion is in a sense "Stuck" with PPC until some demand for AmigaOS can be established to build a business case for broadening its reach. Everyone keeps saying, "no one cares, except the small, niche Amiga faithful, numbering around 1500." Why save that group $300 each, by doing a port that will cost much more than that?

In Hyperion's shoes, even the staunchest x86 proponent would have to think:

- "why the H*LL spend lots more $$$$$ on a teeny, tiny market, to fix a decade-old PPC mistake, which only a fraction of the tiny market cares about, so THAT subgroup can save $300 or so???"

Thinking like a business man, rather than an Amiga enthusiast, there is just no _convincing_ business case to justify an x86 port of Amiga OS. So, then what?

If the accountants say no... what then?

Should we let the AmigaOS platform die out of consequence for it's very costly PPC 'miscalculation'????

This is the question I want the x86 proponents to answer!

Maybe your answer is yes... Some do feel that way. Me personally... I disagree. As I see it, AInc has made mistakes, Hyperion has made mistakes. No one should expect perfect execution with no missteps, especially in this market. Getting us into a hardware supply/demand crunch (via PPC), was a big misstep. Still, we are all in this together, because there are VERY few "takers" to revive the Amiga platform for a market of only about 1500. For this reason, I say, cut Hyperion some slack for inheriting this situation, and support them by buying their products, while they work to correct this supply/demand crunch that's cripple the market and these discussions for over a decade.

Otherwise, it is a vote to let AmigaOS 4+ die in consequence of its PPC choice. Definitely not the spirit that has kept Amiga alive this long.

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@jingof

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an x86 port is PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE for a market size of ~1500,

No it isn't.... it's called AROS.

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@Wizzard_o

A-Inc spoiled their own reputation years ago.

IMHO, Hyperion and ACube have already proven themselves.
We have AmigaOS 4.1 Update 2 and several versions of SAM440.

A-Eon is a relative new comer. I won't try to influence you either way regarding the beta test contract. Ultimately, it is up to you.

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I will continue to use OS4 and AROS/WINUAE to see whats new, how far development goes etc. All this news is confusing but still no change for me. Im one of these people that wants amigaos to go x64 but amigaos4 is my choise like mos is for mos people. I will go for the X1000 but ofcourse if this commodore thing becomes reality and its AROS grows bigger it could be interesting sometime in future but i dont have high hopes until i get something to try out.

So until something miracle happens im on os4 and continue with it. I see people are afraid and dont know what to do :) just stay calm

@Kicko

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So until something miracle happens im on os4 and continue with it. I see people are afraid and dont know what to do :) just stay calm

No reason to be afraid...

A new player wants to enter the market. I see no need for fear, only rejoice at the fact that there will be more Amiga branded computers to buy.

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@Argosy

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No it isn't.... it's called AROS.

Like I said, no business cases exists for an x86 version.

Seriously, AROS only strengthens my point of a diminished business case, which you obviously acknowledge as correct, given your response.

For example, if the whole world wanted Amiga on x86, the AROS community would be enormous and its progress would have accelerated exponentially by now, thus well beyond MOS and AOS.

If anything, AROS has demonstrated that the world won't come rushing in, just because you run on x86.

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@Kicko

+1

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@jingof

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If anything, AROS has demonstrated that the world won't come rushing in, just because you run on x86.

AROS today got it's first taste of Wi-Fi. It also has much better 3D support then current OS 4.1.

FYI, if you go visit aros-exec you'll see that phoenixconsole, the man behind AresOne, is bringing AROS tablets to the market very soon(beta testing pending).

So, it seems that the world really is "rushing in to AROS", when you compare it to OS 4.x lately.

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@Tomas

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It is just a standard pc running AROS./quote] The Amiga One is just a computer running a given OS, beside this is a way to influx money towards one favorite solution, the same can be said around this standard machine, it's a way to support AROS, having a company backing it up. [quote]Nothing to do with amiga besides name[

As so much in life...

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There are plenty of other x86 systems that runs AROS, so what is the point??

There's much point as buying an overpriced hardware solution that can do less then the competition, and the point is to strengthen the platform which you've chosen and which gives you the most enjoyment.

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@jingof

I think you made a point:
if the whole world wanted Amiga

but there's nothing past this point, the world simply doesn't care with Amiga, period, and AROS has clearly shown it.

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