@AmigaBlitter

don't care when exactly as long as we get stable USB2.0

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@AmigaBlitter

Yep i read it too, that's a great news for us expecially for users with slow machines

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@klx300r

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klx300r wrote: @AmigaBlitter don't care when exactly as long as we get stable USB2.0

I agree.

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@klx300r

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klx300r wrote: @AmigaBlitter don't care when exactly as long as we get stable USB2.0

Hmmmm - I've been told Poseidon would work flawlessly with OS 4.x.
So I think this way you could already have USB 2.0 highspeed with OS 4.x.
(at least for the classic Versions & DENEB - I don't know if Poseidon has support for the onboard USB hw of the NG Amigas.)

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I hope Hyperion update rtg.library with the one m3x optimized for Sam.

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@ikir

As i posted in your very site amiganews.it, there still space for improvements

The pci Bus supports the following:

"Multiple read prefetch and write post buffers"
DMA channel are four:
"4 independent channels supporting internal and external peripherals"

It is possible to use concurrent DMA for both read and write at the same time?

It should be possible, i guess.

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@AmigaBlitter

Could we have more detailed informations for this subject ??

Edit: Hum, found a good news and a thread on the italian site. Interesting !!

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@tonyw

Its nice to hear development is never stopping, however to the world, just the publicly issued components or updates are existing.

Since AmigaOS has really easy way to update components (AmigaUpdate, simple overwrite) could mature components be realised e.g. via AmigaUpdate making users feel the development, even report bugs if needed?

Current period of 6 to 12 months for update seems too long and makes OS updates less visibile.

Also, its very interesting question when we should jump to 4.2 - what will be "the big updates" that will make another (payable!) OS version or you will continue to update 4.1 for a longer period for free?

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@Mrodfr

I don't know where all the documents are.

Meanwhile... have a look at this.

https://www-01.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/5F89FEA7FC8C57350025743200690DE2/$file/Optimized_dsp_440_app.pdf

This information applies to both 440 and 460 processors series

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@Mrodfr

There is a courseware too with labs (not free, sight):

http://www.ac6-training.com/cours.php/catID_/coursID_84/print_PDF/Cours_M4.pdf

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@vox

The six-month update period was better during the early development of the OS, when things were changing more quickly than they are now. But now that the OS is more mature, a longer update period is better because fewer components are updated.

I can't tell you what will be the criterion to go to "4.2". I don't know.

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@tonyw

OK Thanks, but from user point (at least current Amiga users) each component
is vital (e.g. people would be much happier if they could acecss USB 2.0 stack
even beta previous year and now) and could be issued before the "big ISO Compilation".

Big ISO compilations basically go for new users to install and use instead of original CD, and thus are important, but they can wait 12 months if individual components would be downloadable as small install packs or via Amiga Update, similar way other companies and individuals maintain their work. And you would never get this kind of thread.
Everyone would be happy, and OS version can go up "when CD is issued"

This way as it goes now, users have no connection or information (even on Hyperion blog that now relates to Classic version only) what components are developing, at which stage, when they will be realised (like e.g. with AROS). Off course other cloused source companies also have "hide and seek" policy, but this is fanatic small community where is really no need to do this.

To me personally, AmigaOS 4.1.2 and 4.1.3 in fact could be called 4.2 and 4.3
remembering how minor updates could push the number in old Amiga days (e.g OS 2.0 to 2.05, 3.0 to 3.1, 3.5 to 3.9) if it would make us think that 5.0 is closer.

However, I like it this way since basically users that buy OS 4.0 or OS 4.1 feel
that they are supported with several updates and bugfixes before they pay for next major AmigaOS overhaul. Great progress.

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@vox

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... if it would make us think that 5.0 is closer.

Forget '5.0'. It doesn't exist, never did.

Increasing the version number just to make us feel like progress is being made is precisely the sort of business tactic Hyperion must continue to avoid. Their version numbering is entirely their business, but I note that a decimal point increase has in the past signified a new paid-for update. I don't know about you, but I don't particularly mind getting lots of updates I don't have to pay for.

@AmigaBlitter

Thanks Blitter, I have seen mention of strong DSP in 440 promos,
but never seen mentioned Amiga software uses it. This should be
exploited to the Max at least for 440 and 460 users!

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... if it would make us think that 5.0 is closer.

@T-J

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T-J wrote: @vox Forget '5.0'. It doesn't exist, never did. Increasing the version number just to make us feel like progress is being made is precisely the sort of business tactic Hyperion must continue to avoid. Their version numbering is entirely their business, but I note that a decimal point increase has in the past signified a new paid-for update. I don't know about you, but I don't particularly mind getting lots of updates I don't have to pay for.

Yes, I know Amiga Inc story, but now Hyperion got rights to it, and it will not be CUSA WB 5.0, it will be what comes out OS 4.0 out of "natural" progression.

Yes, I donºt mind free updates too, so its really nice.

However, we are stuck in 4.1 forever and importance of updates would require number to change big (e.g, using two or plus cores would make me feel 4.2 at least and those wanting to exploit X1000 and maybe other such boards in future would get it).
As you see, beside this major overhauls, I am arguing that updating should be faster (component based like AmigaUpdate updates datatypes for example) and not waiting long for a new one.

Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS to all Hyperion and involved boys on much much progress I have seen since first developer versions (back in 2004? Final realise
about end of 2006?)

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@klx300r

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don't care when exactly as long as we get stable USB2.0

I would just settle with stable USB. Having high speed 2.0 is just a bonus. What is most critically important is that it doesn't corrupt and lock up which is a real hazzle now.

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@tonyw

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The six-month update period was better during the early development of the OS, when things were changing more quickly than they are now. But now that the OS is more mature, a longer update period is better because fewer components are updated.

Dunno, for me its a bit wrong as for user. I mean if OS mature enough, then there is many components, which always in change , in update and have new fixes. So at this point, updates are more than need it line 2 times in a year. For example, we already know all, that in current beta version:

-- usb2.0 works and done
-- your console/shell stuff works and done
-- warp3d fixes which aboiv memory trashing when there is not video mem: done
-- some nasty fixes for boopsi / reaction done as well
-- mui are fixes as well in some areas
-- wb have new prefs and new fixes
-- core itself have many fixes
-- elf.library have fixes (many as well)

And so on and so on.

Did it will not enough for update ? I am 100% sure its more than enough and good enough. And i of course not know all the changes in other components, which are really many.

Because with meaning "our os mature enough, let's make update 1 time in 2 years" its way to loose customers and burn-down interest in OS at all.

Imho of course, but i think most of users think the same.

Let's "BIG ISO UPDATE" will be when it want to be (even 1 time in 2 years), but small updates, just as .lha archive, just some kind of "quick fixes" , just for making users more happy , should be.

Some critical problems for sure can't wait BIG ISO (like corruption of FAT, or trashing of textures when there is no video mem with warp3d).

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I would just settle with stable USB. Having high speed 2.0 is just a bonus. What is most critically important is that it doesn't corrupt and lock up which is a real hazzle now.

I agree, but I am not sure if the corruption problem is the usb system, or crossdos.

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@Swoop

There is two problems : one with cross-dos and corrupted FATs , and one just some un-plug/plug loop after you copy some big file of USB itself (maybe also related to FAT btw). And if i remember right someone say before also about other problem as well related to USB. Dunno if they all fixed or not, but we all report stuff with all the info as i remember.

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@kas1e

Yes, I have made lots of USB tests on the old amigans site and tonyW explain some fix allready made and another one I have discovered and surely now resolved (the 300mo on a FAT32 media copy and error and DSI).

We need good USB2, New Shell (for removing kingCON 68K for better compatibility), fix for Warp3D for maybe less bugs and little better framerate between new gallium one day).

I think for all AOS4 team that this point are important and we can't wait more patiently

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I agree, but I am not sure if the corruption problem is the usb system, or crossdos.

As kas1e said, I also heard there are two bugs. One is that CrashDOS can't handle some file names (with more than one point "." ..?) which causes corruption and 8+3 names, and one with the USB system itself hanging in some situations causing a system lockup most of the times. Or a DSI for some people.

The FAT bug is easy to bypass by just give short and simple filenames. The other bug is more difficult to bypass because it is random. But it mostly happens on larger transfers, like 50MB+.

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