@NutsAboutAmiga

I do not know if you can compare both. A OS is software and that is kind of immaterial product. No other OS I am aware of is financed by "subscriptions". Either the OS is free of charge or you pay for buying a license and for updates where you know what you get (or not). It will make it more difficult to get users from outside who will not accept it and many users (who already spend a lot of money on the hobby) will keep what they have. The few that are willing to spend will be not enough to pay just one developer.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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Well your probably pay for services right now like your “The internet”, no one is saying ISP companies are greedy, and that internet should be for free, or a one time payment.

wouldnt mind if it was for free. you? but if someone would ask me today to pay 5eur for an hour of modem connection id not call him greedy, id just skip the proposal.

@wawa

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the radeonhd drivers, the announced warp3d drivers for the said cards, apparently the office packet announced is also funded by him. trevor has apparently tried to suport developers in the past with hardware, who knows what else.

Thats funding for individual projects and not funding of the OS development itself, and there's still the two loaner system from the Bounty.

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He funded driver development, drivers for Wazp3D, is funding porting of openoffice, porting to X1000... nothing would have happened without him. So in my view he kept the development alive

@SlayeR__

What do you mean with "individual projects"? F.e. the AOS licenses (for X1000) go directly to Hyperion, the other projects to the Friedens and 3rd parties. Without him the situation would be much worse for Hyperion regarding AOS now.

@OlafS25

most definitely, would like to know about a major os4 development field without his apparent involvment.

btw, its warp3d, not wazp.

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@OlafS25

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You will scare of everyone that might be interested from outside

I don't think there is a lot of interest on the outside, we do not have anything revolutionary her, we have old OS that was designed for 1980's that has been patched updated and being dragged in to future, whit out the funding needed to get it up to date.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

If I personal like it or not is not important, but if I understand the reactions of the active users correctly there are not many willing to pay so it will not work.

@OlafS25

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but if I understand the reactions of the active users correctly there are not many willing to pay so it will not work.

Exactly.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: The idea of paying a small fee is that every one can afford it, even the once that are bad whit economics, and wast too mutch money on candy and Smoke and bear.

Hmmm.. Well I couldn't afford it. I don't buy candy, smoke bears, smoke or drink (not been able to afford a beer for 10 years or so).

There seems to be many people here with more money than sense who probably earn more in a month than I have to live off for a year. Those with money never think of how difficult it is for those without when they think up their little schemes as they're aimed at people like themselves...

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@NutsAboutAmiga

I dont.

But I'm intrested, if my money is asked.


I could pay monthly fee in certain circumstances.

Couple:

If I pay regularly, I same time share someones business risks. After that I need information, how my moneys is used and what they intend to do with them and what I get back.

Now I buy more or less ready product. I wait of course, that bugs are corrected. If we get updates for free, it is different thing.

Again, subscribing.

I want roadmap and timetable, even rough could be enought.

- This should be normal.

I want some influence, which direction OS is developed. Only narrow, because all subscribers have same right .

- This should be normal, usually clients are heard.


Some reporting, how things are going on.

-This is normal, more or less status reports are normal.

Many of these things are just normal. We cant say, that Hyperion is very open in communication.


But still, wich reality you think, that these things occur ?


Overall, I dont believe, that subscribing accelerate development very much.

They have now 20-30 devs, who code more or less voluntarily. How much subscribing will change that ? Very very little.

If I pay subscribe monthly and things goes as they are now, it is communism. That I dont take part of. No-one doesnt pay for me, that Im such a nice guy.

For me is fine to pay all major updates that roughly 120e and if system updates (not bug fixing) is separated and I pay for them separately fee two three times between major updates, it is fine.

So working model for me should be, that I pay for major release, then separately minor release(s) and then again next major release.

Yes, I may be bit dissapointed current state, wich is developed and not.

And yes, I understand fully, that SMP, new memory model etc. is important. And in my knowledge filesystem implemetation is important before WB overhaul. But still wb is badly outdated (zillions of windows open) and absolutely clever datatypes system is still as it is been aeons. Not ready for streaming.

Sorry about whining. And typos, english is not my primary language.

@NutsAboutAmiga

I maybe should answer your question allso.

No, of course Im not content for speed of developing. Whining about that doesnt help, because most devs are not paid. It is most disrespectfull to these people to start point finger on them.

Still, subscribing doesnt change situation. You cant get that amount of money from this community, I believe :)

@NutsAboutAmiga

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I don't think there is a lot of interest on the outside, we do not have anything revolutionary her, we have old OS that was designed for 1980's that has been patched updated and being dragged in to future, whit out the funding needed to get it up to date.

I still think, that AmigaOS is more that only hobbyos. Attractive Office package and desent internet browser, they are needed. And polished OS :)

If subscription is used, you same time close OS for this userbase. Actually you narrow it, because some or more ppl leave.

My humble opinion only.