@Argosy

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the world really is "rushing in to AROS", when you compare it to OS 4.x lately.

Then we disagree. I don't think AROS has the number of committed users to support the claim that the "world is rushing in to AROS", comparatively or not.

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@pixie

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the world simply doesn't care with Amiga, period

That's true today, because what Amiga stands for today is overpriced hardware with outdated software. Surely you see a flaw in that plan ...

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@jingof

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I don't think AROS has the number of committed users to support the claim that the "world is rushing in to AROS", comparatively or not.

the members count is about the same on the amigans.net(OS4 only) and aros-exec(AROS)... I don't know how often they prune their non-active accounts but it is indicative that the AROS community is growing. Compare the tempo of the AROS development in this year with that what happened in the past.

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@pixie

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The world simply doesn't care with Amiga, period

Unfortunately, this is true today... x86 or no x86. Hopefully, one day that will change, but the momentum will have to continue to build slowly, because no one has the marketing dollars or muscle of an Apple or a Sony, to make the world stand up and take note. Meanwhile, it's a who cares for all but about 1500 people in the world, some fraction of which continue to believe "if we just ported to x86, the world would care about Amiga." Ummm.... NO... So, why waste the money and time on a fool's errand.

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@Argosy

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the members count is about the same on the amigans.net(OS4 only) and aros-exec(AROS)

So, you make my point for me. The member count is the same, x86 vs. PPC. Still no business case there.

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@Argosy

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That's true today, because what Amiga stands for today is overpriced hardware with outdated software. Surely you see a flaw in that plan ...

Overpriced hardware is not what AROS stands for. So, by your logic, AROS' user count should be a tidal wave, crashing over MOS and AOS.

And yet it is not. That is because the world doesn't care, because the world doesn't care. Cheap hardware or expensive hardware, no difference.

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@jingof

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So, you make my point for me. The member count is the same, x86 vs. PPC. Still no business case there.

But the x86 number is growing very fast in the last year... and there's a new company that sees future in x86, NOT PPC.

And another point... IF CommodoreUSA releases x86-64 AROS Amigas and IF A-eon and Hyperion release X1000(i wish the best to both systems), who do you think will sell more units?

Which approach will generate in the biggest stream of newcomers to Amiga market? Because you could throw millions at it, without new users it's as goos as dead.

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@jingof

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That's not what AROS stands for

I agree... I specifically said AROS needs to loose OS 3.1 compatibility, and loose it fast. It needs to advance past 1995 if anybody wishes to make any progress with it. That's why I said numerous times in these threads Anubis OS-like solution would be faster and cheaper in bringing Amiga brand to modern standards. But again, it would be x86 and not PPC. Surely you can see that by now...

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@Argosy

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i wish the best to both systems

As do I. My point is to explain why AOS is IMO 'trapped' on PPC with no business case to remedy the situation. It is not to have some contest between AROS and AOS. I support all Amiga inspired systems.

If AOS doesn't survive the next 5 years because of threat from superior competition.. I think that outcome is acceptable, as the strongest should survive. However, in my estimation, "strongest" is not 100% about x86 compatibility. It's an advantage to be weighed.

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@Argosy

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But again, it would be x86 and not PPC. Surely you can see that by now...

I've always seen your point. But what I'm trying to explain is this..

It's all about what is a "nearby opportunity". Not whether you are x86 based or PPC.

One has to consider market analysis, investment required, risk assessment, and placing one's bets where the likelyhood of realizing a return is greatest.

For AROS, your suggestion may be the lowest-hanging fruit that represents a potential market that would be relatively easily tested.

AmigaOS comes from a different lineage, that makes this particular market more difficult to capture and test. That just means AOS must seek a path to revenue that capitalizes on "nearby opportunities". And what is "nearby" for AOS is very different from what is "nearby" for AROS. Hence why AOS is taking a high-end/boutique angle catering to a market segment with disposable income unhampered by the extra cost of PPC. For AOS, that is a much easier market to tap and test. For AROS, I believe that high-end/boutique market would be a "distant opportunity".

If the "theory" that demand exists in the high-end/boutique segment proves false, hopefully AOS will be able to find another "nearby opportunity" for which its PPC heritage isn't a disqualifier. But obviously, the object of the game is to find that nearby opportunity before one runs out of money. Not to chase after a distant opportunity and blow all your money on one "hail marry" pass, which is what the x86 drum-beaters are asking Hyperion to do.

Hopefully that clarifies for you why Hyperion/A-Eon have made the choices they have, given their starting point.

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@Argosy
Ok enough! We all know you love AROS, spam some other thread with your preaching!


@Thread


Oh For crying out loud!

I started this thread asking fellow OS4.x USERS a simple question and thanks to AROS fan boyz and the usual muck flingers its now turned into another OS4 vs AROS vs PPC VS x86 thread!


Thanks for the constructive comments fellow OS4 users (and others) You've given me allot to think about.

Mods (if your there), please lock this thread now.

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@Wizzard_o

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Wizzard_o wrote: thanks to AROS fan boyz and the usual muck flingers its now turned into another OS4 vs AROS vs PPC VS x86 thread! [/size]

Really ? Could you give us the number of the first posting from one of those evil "AROS fan boyz" I had problems to find one.

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Oh suddenly the evile flameware posting you where talking about popped up on the very first message, it says:
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AROS is the biggest threat to genuine Amiga's since Amiga INC! Kill it, Kill it now!

You are right this must be a very evil AROS Fanboy and he announced violence too, i got a lot of abuse messages for less.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Wizzard_o
What did you expect by starting this thread? The title alone is asking for comparison with OS4 and A-inc's latest plans, it was bound to lead into comparing differences. There really was no need for this topic to be started anyway, OS4 users have nothing to worry about.

P.S. Your sig is priceless. Overreacting much?

@Arko

Then please, read your own first post here You wont recognize it for sure as a AROS fanboy posting, but in the end, it could be seen as one and it started the OS4 vs. AROS discussion.

@wizzard_o

Just keep cool and watch things happening. I really believe that AI&C=US will fail again (well, actually they never started any of their "projects" for real and they failed to win their lawsuits several times).

You have the chance to get your fingers on a project that is actually delivering, so take the chance. There are many people out there who cant (me for example. Not enough money left here, but I would give the money called for the X1000 if I could).

@HenryCase

Well, actually the thread title is ok, as long as you dont read too much out of it. Theres nothing about AROS in there. AROS people are taking over all threads here today, regardless
if theres any mentioning of AROS or not.

Maybe the overreaction is on your side?

@whose

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whose wrote: @Arko Then please, read your own first post here You wont recognize it for sure as a AROS fanboy posting, but in the end, it could be seen as one and it started the OS4 vs. AROS discussion.

Really ? The I started to post very late in this thread, one of the first postings (after posting #1) ist posting #2 it says:
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If the drop dead,fine i say

Wishing someone else death is not really a nice, is Antique the "Evil AROS fanboy"?

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Wizzard_o

What do AROS did personally to you to have this kind of approach?

Or is a position by principle (runs in evil x86) and therefore does not matter if porting on it allows other amiga oses to have several software/tools/libraries like the rewrite of zune if the bounty will go through ?


BTW, i personally feel really perplexed about C-usa move, because is going against any attempt that was made so far to reconcile things between the amiga-like flavors and make an interoperativity; that was exactly the wrong thing to do IMHO.

Saimon69

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@saimon69

This should have a positve effect on all the Amiga variants. It's publicity, and at this pont the Amiga is so obscure all publicy is good publicity. OS 4 will get more users, AROS will get more users, maybe even Morphos. CommodoreUSA's move is a plus for all.

For the first time in a decade I feel there is a future for some Amiga variant.

@persia

make me think of Oscar Wilde, but am more concerned about the future of AROS now, many people said that snce AROS has no defined organisation is hard to strike on it, but the concern that this might be an occasion to try to get rid of it makes me worry.

Saimon69

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@Amiga_3k

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Amiga_3k wrote: @Wizzard_o Just sign it and continue on the road you're already walking. The X1000 promises to be a wonderful and unique system where as the 'Commodore Amiga' systems are 'just' re-badged PCs (I know, I've stated that most probably eventually that would have been the situation right now IF Commodore never went bust and IF Amiga had become a main product for them and IF Apple wasn't such a hype as it is now....). Also, keep in mind that Hyperion has shown in the past that it delivers on its promises, as did ACube and, I believe, that's what A-Eon will do as well. Bear in mind that who ever owned the Amiga and or Commodore brand in the past, all went bust or nearly bust.

What's unique about PowerPC based system?

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