Well as a lot of you know I fully support bringing OS4 to the Pegasos. Talking to Bill he does as well and had this to say to me today. All I am waiting for now is to get a reply back from Amiga In. to see what they require. I also fowarded this to them. So, I guess what i am asking is what would it take EXACTLY.

Note the last line, one part a lot of you were upset over if it ever came to the Peg, once again i show you in his own words this time he wants nothing from any of you if this comes to be.


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Paul, firstly, you are welcome to forward this email to whomever you please. We have emails from users who have both the A1 and Pegasos who have told us OS4 beta is already running on the platform. We even have a screenshot. That is not really the issue. We won't sell OS4, but Amiga Partners can and we would be happy to support the port in the same way we have other operating systems. We have nothing against OS4. Is it ready to ship? We would advise you to hold onto your money. We do not think that there would be the money to repay you from OS4 sales profits for some time if ever, that is, unless they can get it running on an Apple. One other requirement: Rogue will have to refrain from bbrv insults online. We have never had a bad word to say about him. Our issues were: 1. Bill McEwen's rants on the legitimacy of MorphOS, which drove the lawsuit against Amiga Inc. You will notice we have never taken the full advantage of the judgement, which contrary to Garry Hare's latest comments is still very much in force (re-confirmed with our Attorney). 2. The Articia, which drove the debate between the Pegasos and A1. Frankly, we have been proven more than correct on that call. They can sell all the copies of OS4 for the Pegasos they would like. We will expect nothing in return and all users will benefit. Sincerely, Raquel and Bill

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@Acill

A figure of 15000 - 20000 Euros has been mentioned in initial porting costs. If Peg owners want it that seriously then maybe you could organise a project like the Amizilla project.

Once the 20000 Euros has been raised I image you could then put an offer on the table to Hyperion. Its up to them then, they'll either say yes or no. But at least you have then tried.

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@JurassicC

It seems that you missed a very specific point of BBRV's reply (talking about "your money") to Paul, he didn't ask for a money figure for fun.

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@Acill

No flame? This mail itself is a flame.

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in the same way we have other operating systems.

Ah ah ah so not paying the developers. Nice one BB.

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Rogue will have to refrain from bbrv insults

Ah ah ah ah a clown a clown. This mail changed my day!!

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OS4 beta is already running on the platform

On A1 or Peg? On the Peg it is ILLEGAL.. if possibile now.

Acill i really don't belive you can't be serious. You bought a Peg for MOs, use it, enjoy it. Now seems that MOS is going ahead alone, so i don't see the problem. MOS is alive, MOS users always stated it is better than OS4... so why don't use it and stop this story. I'm happy with my "super bugged articia A1".

If someone wants OS4 buy a Micro, it is very good. If you don't want an A1, wait for new hardware from ACK, Elbox and others.

We really don't need sucha clown (BB) involved in any way, either after this pathetic email.

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@ikir

Actually, Paul has something in his pocket, and he's quite serious. He's not expecting a port to happen by itself and not with Genesi's money either. Replies like yours can make him change his mind though.

Secondly, I would buy an AmigaOne if 1) I had the money 2) There was a full ATX motherboard out (the XE doesn't count, a new production with Micro's fixes or even better an XC or something would).

Finally, the hardware from... Elbox? You mentioned Elbox? The same Elbox? Ikir, sorry about that but I hope that you aren't serious in mentioning the SharkPPC here...

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No Flames ?

Damn ..

/me stands under garden hose !!

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@AMiGR

The point is MOS users would like an OS4 port.
This has to be paid for.
If the MOS users formed an official consortium / cooperative for example and raised the 20000 Euros thats been mooted between themselve, got themselves a solicitor and made a serious official formal offer to Hyperion, then this would prove the sincerity and formal contracts could be drawn up and the porting could commense.

At the moment it seems like a lot of people would like to OS4 for the PEG, but someone has got to pay for the porting cost.

You can't expect Hyperion to bankroll a project that might sell a hundred copies and the rest get downloaded via bit torrent.

Obviously I dont speak for hyperion but thats what i'd expect.

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@JurassicC

Exactly the point you missed. Expect more info from Paul himself.

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@AMiGR

It was an example, Elbox could become an AmigaOne partner. making a brand new A1 model, or a stand alone Shark.

The point is... reread the mail form BB. Is it seriuos? We are talking about BB......

So.... i want all the blu trolls and BB and their trolling employers ask SORRY for all the times they said incomplete facts, lies, insult to A1/OS4 devs team members....

I feel insulted only reading this email.... i bet Rogue & Co feels worse.

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@Acill
I think a port of OS4 to the pegasos platform is a good idea. Many people would benefit from this. I must say that I respect your effort and wish you the best of luck. But I must note that I do not have a single clue why you have chosen to start this effort with a quote from BBRV. As far as I know he has nothing to do with the decision whether or not the porting should begin. It is publically known that a port would require a license to be paid and that not necessarily by genesis. It is also publically known that BBRV have no intentions to pay for this (Please correct me if im wrong).
Please note im not accusing you for trolling or anything. I normally find your postings well considered, however I find the quote to be a bit unlucky and I fear that it will divert the attention from the more important subject

Listen I copied that email as is so you can all see it. Genesi wants nothing to do with any money comming in from this, so its safe to say they will have no say in how it goes or anything. That was one thing a lot of people were worried about.

#2 Genesi makes nothing on the the OS ports that came to the Pegasos so far, I didnt ask about that anyway and it should not be a factor. They are not going to be a part of this any how.

#3 I, that is ME, myself how ever you want to look at it here. Plan to front the money if Amiga Inc gives me the okay. Its my gift to attempt to bring us back together again. Thats it, nothing more. I am out and the sales of OS4 to Pegasos users brings more to Hyperion as well as the 15,000 they say it would cost. Its a win win as far as I see it.

#4 About OS4 running on the Pegasos. he said OS4 users that have an A1 AND a Pegasos did it, not him. How can he stop them from doing that. Simple answer is he cant. They need to not do it. It wont run on a Peg II as far as I know, the Peg I is damn close to an A1 anyway so it makes sence.


Lets take this more Serious please. I got a Peg for MorphOS yes,but I said many times I would get OS4 if it came to it as well. Why not have the best of both worlds?

@ikir

I'm not talking about the email. What I say is that BB has nothing to do with what Paul wants to do. I could also tell you to do the same about MorphOS, it's not as if "your side" (including officials) is any less guilty on spreading misinformation on the competitor's product but that's *SERIOUSLY* not the case here, the rifts between the developers are too wide to close anyway, so forget them.

And no, do not expect anything from Elbox and I am *NOT* saying this as a blue person, I'm saying this as an AmigaOS user. I know Elbox, Hyperion knows Elbox, EVERYONE knows Elbox. I bet 10 bucks that they will *never* pay for an AmigaOS4 port or a licence, especially after their claims that OS4 will run on their board without any changes... Magically...

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So.... i want all the blu trolls and BB and their trolling employers ask SORRY for all the times they said incomplete facts, lies, insult to A1/OS4 devs team members....

I want you and all the rest to ask SORRY for us poor blues who were there with PPC OS _first_. Your continuing personal attacks againt Buck, MorphOS and it's users are insults to ME.

@hooligan

Continuing my post... some of you really are doing a very fine job in making some of us go away who would like to buy A1/OS4 or OS4 for our classics some day. Keep up the good work.. you're about to achieve your goal.

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think a port of OS4 to the pegasos platform is a good idea. Many people would benefit from this. I must say that I respect your effort and wish you the best of luck. But I must note that I do not have a single clue why you have chosen to start this effort with a quote from BBRV. As far as I know he has nothing to do with the decision whether or not the porting should begin. It is publically known that a port would require a license to be paid and that not necessarily by genesis. It is also publically known that BBRV have no intentions to pay for this (Please correct me if im wrong). Please note im not accusing you for trolling or anything. I normally find your postings well considered, however I find the quote to be a bit unlucky and I fear that it will divert the attention from the more important subject

The point of starting the thread with the quote was to show i am serious and I respect BB. I wanted to get permission and to see what he wanted from it. I got both and now I know none of you need to worry about him having his hands in it like a lot thought would happen.

the ball is in play, I have served and it needs to be hit back to keep it in play. Lets at least play the game shall we?

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@Acill
Thank you. I think it was a very important clarification.
So what now? What is your plan? Do you need the help from anyone? If yes which kind of help?

@Acill

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#3 I, that is ME, myself how ever you want to look at it here. Plan to front the money if Amiga Inc gives me the okay. Its my gift to attempt to bring us back together again. Thats it, nothing more. I am out and the sales of OS4 to Pegasos users brings more to Hyperion as well as the 15,000 they say it would cost. Its a win win as far as I see it.

Thats a commendable effort but Its not all win win.

You still have the piracy issue. I know this keeps getting brought up but the PEG2 is cheaper than the A1c.

Its going to affect Eyetechs Sales, but might encourage them to drop their prices.

How many PC home users actually PAY for a copy of WIN-XP ?

Sales of the PEG2 may increase because of an OS4 port, but the temptation is there to buy a PEG2 with MOS and then to download OS4 of the net.
That will benifit nobody except Genesi in PEG2 sales.
Its like robbing peter to pay paul

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@JurassicC

You keep bringing the piracy issue forth... It could use a dongle, these are incredibly cheap to make.
Apart from that... If you can't trust your users/buyers, you shouldn't be in the market in the first place... Being worried about piracy is normal and understood, but what you say is not, the OS should not be held back because of it.

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I wont go into BBRVs post, but I see Ikir's point. Even if it may be with red colored glasses... Shall we skip that debate ?

[B]Actually, Paul has something in his pocket, and he's quite serious. [/B]

Good to hear. I hope Amiga Inc will reply to his email.. If not, I hope Hyperion is willing to help a little bit out here..

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