This is the text of a comment of mine in the thread of article about OS4, AmigaONE and Pegasos into OSNews site:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=18378&forum=14&start=220&viewmode=flat&order=0

(it is into page 12)

I think it is better to copy it all and start a whole new topic about it, because this idea deserves a topic of its own, and I can share this all with Friedens directly.

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@Rogue Quote: Currently busy with the ENIAC port... Maybe after the Turing port... Hans-Jörg Frieden, Hyperion Entertainment. I don't know why you both Friedens, instead to play with your second hand ENIAC, don't you pack any of your AmigaONE, loaded with latest stable version of AmigaOS 4.0, and some good programs installed... ...and take first train to New Commodore International in Holland. Sure they let you keep wating a lot in the hall, but, if you ask for a meeting, they will receive you. http://www.commodoreworld.com/ Then let's go with the show of what is a new Amiga, and new OS and new programs. Show their Public relations man, and their "head-hunter" man (and every director you could meet) WHAT A *NEW* AMIGA IS. Show them the benefits to have a desktop platform of their own, and a multimedia OS aimed at desktop market, embedded market, and set top box market, they can put into their devices. Amaze them with some gorgeous demos. Well! Sure it is clear that they have lots of money if them are capable to hire in a brief amount of time an online store offering plenty of USB devices marked with Commodore logo: MP3 players, virgin CD and DVD marked Commodore (SWEEET! I will buy some, to burn Amiga related CDs with C= logo on it!!! ), USB Keys, a multimedia device of 20 gig, a Media Tower, etc. and MAIN: The C64 all-in-a-joystick! (C64DTV) http://hardware.commodoreworld.com/default.aspx?i=3&s=category&c=30 Even Vesalia in Germany sells this product. http://www.vesalia.de It is up to you Friedens, who are the best in charge to show these people from Netherlands, that buy ALL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES of Amiga from Amiga Inc. and KMOS is a sure bargain, because Amiga will be a great attractive killer apllication/hardware for them. And more, ask them to pick it all so we all Amigans will have not anymore contacts with Bill Mc Ewen and Fleecy Moss, and we will not bothered anymore with Amiga DE. Bye, bye Amiga Inc. Sure the New Commodore International has money, then show them that the new Amiga could attract their venture capital. And more... A certain interest into Amiga by New Commodore International Netherlands based is shown by their link into their homepage pointing at one Amiga Club in Holland. Yes, the links points at an old page of old Amiga Club there... but for the first time it appears in the pages of New Commodore International. It could be a sign of interest... Or It could mean none... Time will see. But sure, even if some of us Amigans, consider these persons only jackals who wants the old brand Commodore to sell products of no importance, then they proved to have the guts to create such this firm, and proved they have the capitals to do so. And sure, they can't be worse than Amiga Inc. Maybe the new Amiga (shown clearly by you both Friedens) could raise their interest to enter the desktop world, and let them persuade buying Amiga brand to market it with good commercial interest. Try to do it. It is sure a chance! Ciao, Raffaele

P.S. Try it, even (and more) because we Amigans have nothing to lose in attract new CBM venture capitals.

More! It will be cool if New Commodore International could start to contact even Genesi, so we will have a new platform on which to sell AmigaOS 4.0.

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@Raffaele

I have send an e-mail to the new commodore but they answer to me that there are no plans of producing computers again.


But i'm (almost) sure that the things are changing. :)

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by AmigaBlitter on 31-Mar-2006 9:58:51 @Raffaele I have send an e-mail to the new commodore but they answer to me that there are no plans of producing computers again. But i'm (almost) sure that the things are changing. :)

I r r i l e v a n t !


New Commodore answers with 2 standard messages:

In the first they call Amiga anc C64 "VINTAGE" and say they are not interested in desktop computing.

In the second kind of message they say "maybe? Why not?"


So i don't care of any mail message from new CBM.

I just proposed the Friedens:

1) to ask for a meeting with Commodore Management,
(meet real people, meet those with CEO powers)

2) be patient in waiting hours into the Hall entrance of new Commodore (I think they will make Friedens to await a lot of time),

3) Show these people what an Amiga really is...
(and more what a new Amiga really is NOWADAYS).

If new Commodore International will be really interested or not, we could only had saying it, but AFTER such hypotetical a visit, and AFTER all Amiga capabilites demonstration show made by Friedens.

NOW, we can say nothing, we have no clues, and without making any demonstration of what Amiga really is, we can't persuade no one.

Facts no hypotesis is what we need!

Hundreds of thousand peoples involved into Information technology market still believe that Amiga was a game console machine.

We must push their head on Amiga keyboards to let them see what is the real silicon, and real software of Amiga, or else they will consider us less than nothing.

And we must push these people down into the keyboards to let them touch the Amiga computers are real (even so rudely that they broke their head into it), else they will continuing staying their ignorance, without considering Amiga a valuable investment.

I think the Friedens can handle this job.

Or better than Friedens alone... I have another idea...

it could be more useful, for the cause of Amiga, a joint team of resellers, developers and users which could meet CBM management and could try to convince new Commodore, that the Amiga is really more than they can imagine:

1) has a solid market (even if a niche shrinking one) and valid resellers who can help the customer to buy it.

2) There are people who still code for Amiga and creates masterpieces (think at Candy Factory, Hollywood, that are native, or think the good portings from Linux such as mPlayer)

3) There is a loyal userbase who can help to advice other people that new Amiga exists, advice it, and help new buyers on how to install and use it with profit.

[P.S.: I edited this comment]

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@Raffaele

Even if Commodore were interested they would still have to deal with Amiga Inc, and not hyperion.

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@Swoop

You wrote:

>Even if Commodore were interested they would still have to deal with Amiga Inc,
>and not hyperion.

Correct.

But I believe that at new CBM they think that Amiga is only a dead project.

Hyperion (or better a joint team of resellers, programmers and power users), must go there in Holland and meet Commodore International management to show them what really an Amiga is TODAY.

They must demonstrate that Amiga is still ALIVE, and more demonstrate it could be a valuable investment for Commodore International and it sure it will increase presence of Commodore on the markets because a return of Amiga into CBM hands, it will improve VISIBILITY and PRESTIGE of Commodore International itself (and the result is more sells, more products, more clients and buyers, and finally more firms will have interest to deal with Commodore)

Then it is up to Commodore International to contact Amiga Inc. and buy complete project and all intellectual properties for AmigaONE and AmigaOS.

And even if this succedes, then Hyperion itself, and the Friedens could act as ambassadors and keep alive all communications between AInc. and CBM, and moderate the sells of all I.P.

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@Raffaele

I don't think they would be terribly interested.

Their main interest was the Commodore brand and logo. You can go to a trade show in China and meet dozens of manufacturers who would be more than happy to silk-screen your brand onto their products. The 'new' Commodore could be selling calculators and mp3 players in a matter of weeks that way.

If they were interested in selling computers, there are any number of OEMs in the far East that would be happy to make "Commodore" branded PCs. But why bother, there isn't a lot of money in the commodity PC market. Too many people selling the exact same thing: a commodity box with windows installed.

@terminator

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Their main interest was the Commodore brand and logo

This demostrate that all the things related to Commodore (and Amiga, off course) continue to produce revenues.

The idea of Raffaele is not bad. I have read many articles around the web about the return of Commodore. In every article i read, i see the Amiga names and curious story of peoples that mailed the new Commodore asking about Amiga.

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AmigaBlitter wrote: @terminator Quote: Their main interest was the Commodore brand and logo This demostrate that all the things related to Commodore (and Amiga, off course) continue to produce revenues.

Yes, but it also demonstrates that they are not interested in the technology itself (AmigaNG/OS4 technology for that matter), but simply in exploiting the name as a vehicle for their own technologies. If they wouldn't have bought the Commodore brand/logo, they would be nothing more than 1 MP3-player-company out of 1000.
With the Commodore logo, they stick out. That's maybe already 50% of their business model.

That does not mean in any way that they have the tiniest bit of interest in investing in the Amiga market. Every sane hardware company wouldn't do that.
Look at what we have. 99% we have hobby-one-man-in-the-basement-projects.
Nothing bad about that. But thinking that Commodore should look at or be interested in the Amiga market is extremely naive in my opinion.

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@AmigaBlitter

Yes, often people reading of return of Commodore, then they want to know about Amiga...

even only as a matter of old curiosity.

But this is not the point.

New Commodore International is interested also in media boxes, and little video devices.

We could explain them that AmigaOS 4.0 is suitable for these devices and that they could had had complete control on a multimedia OS of their own...

Without paing fees to Windows... Without paing fees to Palm... or whatever os could be used into these devices.

And more we must convince them that acquiring the brand Amiga lalso will increase their visibility and prestige on the market...

So, then *MAYBE*, at new CBM they could see at Amiga with new attitude, and more GOOD attitude towards Amiga, in order to choose if to buy it or not for real...

And I mean that CBM should then check if to buy Amiga for real, and not only simply to answer the mail of Amigans with standard response letters.

There should be someone, somewhere, somewhen to show Commodore international by person, and not by mail that Amiga IS a valuable product.

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Why would the company today known as "Commodore" because they bought the name, want to have anything to do with the people who bought the name "Amiga?", because the original people who once owned each of the names were related?

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@terminator

That's the point.

Commodore have the money to produce an A1 made in China real cheap.

They also have enough money to arrange a mozilla and oo port.

They just need to be persuaded that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Dad's (especially in Europe) would by a new wedge Amiga for their kids.

You only have to check out the TV and game nostalgia industry to be persuaded of this. Someone ploughed £50 million into the film 'The magic roundabout'.

@Raffaele

I agree, raf. Let's start the dance. :)

Amiga on the PS3, Amiga with Commodore. All what is necessary to bring on the wave Amiga.

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Commodore have the money to produce an A1 made in China real cheap.

Why would they want to do that? There is no money to make in this market with the compulsory licensing scheme in place!

And... how do you know that "Commodore have the money"? They are a startup company, and still need to pay 24 Mio. $ for Commodore rights. They didn't pay that money directly, but will pay it in rates until 2010. (!)
Then there are probably venture capitalists who have some power in the company and don't want to see them doing business in something which is unrelated (and unprofitable!) to their business plan.

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Why would the company today known as "Commodore" because they bought the name, want to have anything to do with the people who bought the name "Amiga?", because the original people who once owned each of the names were related?

Why not?

Buying Amiga brand will be better for new Commodore International, than to hire an entire merchandise and advertising campaign on TV channels, newspapers of computers, and online sites, to show they are on the market.

Only for the fact that Commodore brand returned, there were lots of sites talking about it.

It was all FREE ADVERTISING for new Commodore on world market.

All this interest on the web and all this free publicity was really a bonanza!

Acquiring Amiga Brand, will improve new CBM presence on the market. Even also improve presence on the tiny devices market.

Whe should point them this fact.

And also we Amiga users should point to new CBM the fact that even with a little funds, Amiga brand could stay on the market with is own feet, supported by Hyperion and Eyetech (or maybe Genesi in the future... Who knows!), supported by its resellers, by its programmers, and by its loyal users.

A sort of self running management by existing Amiga realities on the market.

And at CBM international should only verify Amiga Brands works well and generates proper renevues and profit.

And if they will find it is not good for them, then they could sell it again.

But it is sure a chance for new CBM to enter the multimedia embedded market from the front door with a good OS.

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I agree, raf. Let's start the dance. :) Amiga on the PS3, Amiga with Commodore. All what is necessary to bring on the wave Amiga.

Let's just imagine this:

AmigaOS by Commodore package with CDs and manuals, sold to run on PS3...

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AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

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Lets just imagine this: AmigaOS by Commodore package with CDs and manuals, sold to run on PS3...

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Let's just imagine this: AmigaOS by Commodore package with CDs and manuals, sold to run on PS3...

Did anybody felt the shiver?! You just got me horny!

@Raffaele

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Acquiring Amiga Brand, will improve new CBM presence on the market. Even also improve presence on the tiny devices market.

People around thier 20, who happends to be main target market of C= MP3 players, are not devoted to Amiga as we, people in 26-40 are. They simply wasn't exposed to the 85-90 years as we was. Amiga brand is not so powerful as you may think.

Also, Commodore has better brand that Amiga, because Amiga INC did nothing. Commodre at least has some nostalgia stuff for The Name Followers.

It sounds like wishful thinking to me. Some VC got Amiga name to sell PDA games, other got C= name to sell MP3 players. That's all. You're reading to much into old and long passed Amiga-Commodore relationships.

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But it is sure a chance for new CBM to enter the multimedia embedded market from the front door with a good OS.

Also, devices of C= already have an OS. And it's Windows CE.

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@opi

I disagree! Amiga brand is very well known to most of the people who work in the IT field and Tech Magazines. I bet the return of the Amiga to its home would produce fairly big coverage and excitment worldwide! The advertisment benefits could give back some of the costs involved.

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Did anybody felt the shiver?! You just got me horny!

Please That's too much information already....