Hi folks,

Alfred Faust has posted on the BnP ML that he tried to get the developer-material for OS4, to make a
port of BnP to OS4.

He sent signed NDA to Amiga Inc.

Should he be sending this to Hyperion instead?
(Rogue, Enthilza, Ben?)


Cheers folks.

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@Robert

Yes. Amiga Inc. has nothing to do with the development of OS 4.

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@Hyperionmp

Thanks Ben. I'll let him know.

Hopefully an OS4 version will be the result.

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@Robert

Strange.

I thought AmigAlex was doing the OS4 port.

I got that impression here.

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@Ralf

There are a few people interested in doing a port, including me.

There is even a "finished" CAMD.library
and a working 68k version
of B&P that are running well on OS4, according to this page:

HD_Rec

I can't wait to check these out for myself, as soon as
I get an AOne.

Of course, Alfred has been the king of B&P since Todor released the
source.

The last time I spoke with Alfred about B&P for OS4, he
expressed regret that he couldn't afford an AOne to do the port with.
If he now has the means to do so we will all be very fortunate.

LyleHaze

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Bars & Pipes for OS4 - that would be cool!!!

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@lylehaze

The biggest problem, for me, right now, is that only the gameport works for midi.
I was hoping there would be another solution, since I would like to rip out my soundblaster and throw it as far as I can, as soon as I can plug in a real Delta 66 soundcard.

I´m very confused, and it´s not getting better, considering my AE4 probably gone awol.

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@Hyperionmp

Quote:

Amiga Inc. has nothing to do with the development of OS 4.

I wonder when every Amigan will know/understand it
Let me say it again:
Amiga Inc. has nothing to do with the development of OS 4.

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@Ralf

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The biggest problem, for me, right now, is that only the gameport works for midi.

My own plan was to start with CAMD, then B&P. According to the information
above, these things may be done before I get my AOne.
Assuming that the above stuff checks out well, my next plan is to write a few
new output drivers for CAMD. I recently gathered up the information for writing
USB MIDI drivers. This would open up multiple MIDI ports in a (hopefully) brand
independent way. I could also port a serial port solution for those synths that
offer a regular com port connection, like my Yamaha MU90-R.

My new A1 has been "a week or two" away for a few months now.. I look
forward to getting started as soon as possible.

LyleHaze

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@lylehaze

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and a working 68k version of B&P that are running well on OS4

Don't suppose you know which version of B&P?
The version I have guru's.

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@Ralf

Don't be so sure camd on the A1 works. The gameport needs to be accessed by PCI. I'm quite sure there is no such driver which uses the OS4 PCI system atm.

What do you exactly mean by 'my AE4 probably gone awol' if I may ask?

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@DaveAE

Well I bought 3.20 from GGS-data, but I never registered it, so to get the upgrade offer I gave him the form (filled in, of course), pre paid, and started to wait.
I'm still waiting.
Obviusly I've talked to him about it, and he said he'd check.
I'm not worried (not much anyhow ).

BTW:
How are you doing with the delta drivers.
I found out that I can't really do any serious recording until i can throw out the sandblaster crap.

When I listen to a track I just recorded, I find a faint copy of the tracks I played back. The only way I can figure it, is if the separation of the input channels and the output channels are that bad, since I plug the source directly into the in ports and the output directly to the mixer, the only place the signals could mix must be the analog part of the sound card.

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@Robert

I just wandered around the HDRec site, and it seems their B&P dowload link has been hijacked. It was first shown to me a week or two ago, It'll take some digging to find the original forum listing..

Also seen on the HDRec site was a link to a Bars&Pipes CAMD tool set written by.. Me!
Gosh, it was so long ago I don't even know if I still have the source.

I don't want to get too worked up until I get an Amiga in front of me.
If it's there and it works, great. If not, myself and a few others(at least) are interested in making it work.

First I need to get some hardware in front of me. This seems to be the great challenge.


LyleHaze

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@DaveAE

Dave, I gor this reply on the subject from "Kicko"
a few weeks back.

Forum-Post

Digging around on the site found some reference to
an output tool available from the AROS project.
It seems that when AROS runs CAMD v40 they use this MIDI driver:

AROS MMP

So, I think there's a fair chance that this might work.
The site says it has been tested with B&P on OS4-PR.
I have NOT tested this as I have not found an AOne yet, but it's a place
to start looking anyway.

I wonder if the APL (Aros Public License) will allow porting to OS4-native
without upsetting the author? Having CAMD ready to go, even if the
I/O drivers need a rewrite, would be a great kickstart to getting Bars&Pipes
and a lot of other MIDI applications running. I tried reading the APL, but it
reads as a bunch of gibberish to me.

I really wish I could get started on this.. OS4 native MIDI drivers for
the gameport, serial port(s) for compatible synths, USB-MIDI drivers.
There is so much to do, and no machine to do it on.

LyleHaze

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@lylehaze:

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The site says it has been tested with B&P on OS4-PR

I've yet to get B&P to even load, Guru meditation is the result, although I'm sure I read somewhere that someone was running a version.
If I knew which one and where to get it, I'd test it.

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@Robert

I have a collection of 68k versions, as well as the source for the last 68k release from BlueRibbon. Alfred was also gracious enough to provide the source to the latest MOS version.
The mention the other day that Alfred has requested developers information is exciting.
I'd be tickled to work with him on a port.

Maybe CAMD is working on OS4.. That would be a great head start. I'd really like to see it compiled native, as it's efficiency will be a defining factor in the success of the A1 as a MIDI platform.

I need to find someone who can explain the APL license to me, so I can determine what it will take to do a native port.. Of course, due credit will be given to the real author.

As you mentioned, I expect that drivers will need to be written to support the gameport, the serial ports, and even USB Midi interfaces. I've had some experience with these, though I've never done USB before. I have source ready for a CAMD driver for the serial.device.

You know, even though serial.device can only do "standard" baud rates (not MIDI at 31250), a lot of synths have a serial port available. I wonder if the OS4 serial.device includes drivers for USB to serial cables.. That would be useful, though not true MIDI.

I managed to find the "USB Device Class Definition for MIDI devices" from the MMA.
That should go a long way towards getting something working by USB. I'll probably buy and test with a MIDIMAN interface, and hope it's compatible with the others. I did come across source to drive these from BeOS, I have no idea how useful that will be in the end.

I remember well that getting more MIDI channels available was a primary concern on classic Amigas. I intend to do what I can to alleviate this problem on the new Amigas.

I'm still not sure how big the audience for this stuff is. If there's enough interest I guess I could put up a minimal webpage to distribute whatever I write.. Maybe the driver-level stuff could even be included in later releases of OS4..

So much is possible, only on Amiga, and only if I can find a dealer that will sell me one.

Maybe one day they'll build an Amiga for me


LyleHaze

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@lylehaze

Check for PM. I am ready to assist you.

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@Robert

Almost a year ago I had started working on porting Bars&Pipes when I got my A1 as I really didn't want to lose that magnificent tool in the transition to OS4 and Alfred was busy with the MOS version. (but if he wants to work on it now, that's even better)

Anyway for BnP to work, camd.library needed to be ported too so DaveAE got me the sources and I decided to port camd first.
Soon after I started making some of the needed changes, I got stuck and realized that my C programming experience on QNX and Linux was mostly useless on the Amiga. Nearly everything works differently

I wasn't going to let that stop me so I started learning how to program the Amiga from scratch, something I could have done years ago when I had more time... and brain cells
It turned out to be a lot harder than I thought, not just catching up with 20 years of evolution, but the OS has an incredibly huge number of functions and methods.
How anybody can remember all of it is beyond me!

Anyway I've been learning as much as I can in the little free time I have left between my business and the OS4 beta-testing, yet made enough progress to understand what goes on in the source code and feel more confident about what I'm doing, but it still takes time.
At the current pace I expect it will take me 2-3 months before I'm done.

If someone e.g. Lylehaze wants to help to get it done sooner, of course I'm all for it, it doesn't matter who does what as long as it's done right.

Otherwise be patient, it will get there.

Alex.

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Otherwise be patient, it will get there.

I am already waiting for OS 4 to be done. I can wait for B&P. I can wait for more than one thing at once. I never expected that B&P would be ready at or before OS4's release. I always knew it would come along eventually, though. I think that with B&P and AE and HDRec we musical types will be OK. I don't think there are alot of A1 owners who are going to do MIDI. As one who is interested though, I am very grateful for your efforts.

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@DoodooHead

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I don't think there are alot of A1 owners who are going to do MIDI.

At this point, I think you're right, but I believe that B&P is one of those "Killer Apps"
that can create a market for the Amiga. It's not something that every Amiga owner will have to have, but I think it's enough that anyone working in a MIDI/Recording studio will consider buying an AOne just to run Bars&Pipes/AudioEvolution. It has the power to bring new users to the Amiga.

I could be wrong, I'm not here to preach.. I just think that much of the app.

On the other side of the discussion, we now have soundcards that are capable of providing more than four eight-bit voices at a time. I don't believe many pro studios will embrace the soundblaster, but it does make programs like Bars&Pipes accessible to the masses. so on the user-side, I think it opens doors to the same tools the "big boys" use. I remember how tough it was to demo Bars&Pipes on an Amiga with no external MIDI synths.. now at least we have a bit more built in audio generation.

Most important from the OS side is that we have a common "linkage" for all the various tools to use. ARexx made a HUGE difference in how usable and configurable the classic Amiga was. In the music arena, we need CAMD to allow interconnection between different MIDI tools and applications. On the classic we had a number of different "standards". Both Soundscape and later, Bars&Pipes had their own internal means of integrating tools that were written for them. Bill Barton offered his MIDI.library for inter-task sharing of MIDI streams. Then CAMD arrived as the "officially adopted standard", but too late for most apps to be re-written to use it properly.

If we had one standard from the start, much more could have been accomplished.
CAMD has this opportunity.

Damn, I'm ranting again.. Sorry.

LyleHaze

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