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TrebleSix 
How QNX failed the Amiga ??
Posted on 30-Jun-2005 12:50:25
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Just read this...........

http://osviews.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4830&mode=thread&order=0&thold=-1

I for one aint blaming QNX for anything, is anyone else ?

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Re: How QNX failed the Amiga ??
Posted on 30-Jun-2005 12:56:45
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@treblesix

QNX was/is running on Intel, right?

Mind you, I'm just speculating.

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@treblesix

This article offers no proof and it's based on speculation. Plus, author has on idea about current situation of Amiga. Not a very good read.

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Posted on 30-Jun-2005 13:04:16
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@sgm

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@treblesix

QNX was/is running on Intel, right?
Mind you, I'm just speculating.


QNX runs on Intel, yup. dunno if it runs on PPC

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@treblesix

This article offers no proof and it's based on speculation. Plus, author has on idea about current situation of Amiga. Not a very good read.


Again, like another article which appeared recently. No reseach. Who is this guy who wrote it anyway ? Needs a kick up the ass.

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Posted on 30-Jun-2005 13:10:13
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@sgm

QNX is ALSO running on Intel. QNX runs on a multitude of CPU's. If you would have read the article, it is also stated that QNX at that time already supported PPC for years.

I think it is highly unlikely that Gateway had PPC motherboards (even quad CPU boards, claimed in the article!). Is there any "evidence" on this?

I think Gateway stopped the money flow and QNX had no other choice to stop developing for the Amiga. This is just my speculation.

Added note: Just go to the QNX site and it has a link that QNX is named #1 for performance on Freescale PPC architecture.

Taken from the QNX site about CPU support:

Quote:
target the best hardware platform for your system and get up and running quickly with runtime support and BSPs for popular chipsets, including MIPS, PowerPC, SH-4, ARM, StrongArm, Intel® XScale™ Microarchitecture, and x86

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Posted on 30-Jun-2005 13:10:19
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@treblesix

Yes it runs on i386, can't remember the version number, 6 I think.

I rather liked it, Sorta cross between Linux and Amiga OS, it's my 4th fav OS.



BTW that was a joke, I'm not quite that big a nerd.

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@jiyong

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Taken from the QNX site about CPU support:

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target the best hardware platform for your system and get up and running quickly with runtime support and BSPs for popular chipsets, including MIPS, PowerPC, SH-4, ARM, StrongArm, Intel® XScale™ Microarchitecture, and x86


So it runs on multiple OS's, but where the hell is the proof for the other comments, anyone ?

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Looks not too bad:
QNX Neutrino Realtime Operating System
BSPs for QNX Momentics development suite
(IBM and freescale are strategic partners)

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Looks not too bad:
QNX Neutrino Realtime Operating System


Y's Donny Osmond got a pic @ top of that page ?

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Posted on 30-Jun-2005 13:17:11
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That article was truely a big pile of sh*t. OS3.1 released in 2001, no A1 or OS4 except for a few screenshots, etc. Yeah, right.

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@jiyong

>QNX is named #1 for performance on Freescale PPC architecture<
Doesn't Freescale works with Genesi ?... Then there could be a use for a Peg...

.. Just JoKiNg ...

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Posted on 30-Jun-2005 13:40:51
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@treblesix

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QNX runs on Intel, yup. dunno if it runs on PPC


It works on Pegasos.

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@opi

He seems to have a much better idea of the "current" situation (meaning not just the last months) than most people here, so I wouldn't dismiss this as mere speculation. Of course, the OS is now a LOT more than just screenshots posted every now and then, and I for one think he would actually appreciate it if someone corrected that. But please do it in a friendly matter. As in "hundreds of people are now running the third pre-release of AmigaOS4.0, and we're awaiting a final shrink-wrapped release together with new batches of hardware very likely this autumn". No threats, no cursing. Please.

Some of us remember those days rather well. I like QNX, and I've found people who know a bit of QNX who very easily connected to AmigaOS because many design features are quite similar. I remember there was a lot of fuss around QNX as AmigaTNG, and suddenly Gateways Amiga dreams just belly-upped and we were stuck with no future whatsoever. For a very long time, up until Eyetech/Hyperion stepped up and made the current reality our past future. As it were.

Btw: QNX runs on more hardware variants than AmigaOS, by far
It's not even close to x86 only... Here's the board support list: http://www.qnx.com/products/bsps/

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@AmiDog

Except he doesn't write " OS3.1 released in 2001". He writes something like: "meanwhile, OS3.1, 3.5 and 3.9 were released as stopgaps". 3.1 doesn't belong in that group of names at all, but that's a different story (and likely an honest mistake). 3.5 and 3.9 WERE released as stopgaps while waiting for 4.0 (that's how long some of us HAVE waited for OS4, seriously). Mind you, the target has moved somewhat, so we're now waiting for a completely different OS4 than we used to do, but still...

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And for pete's sakes, correct him rather than throw #### at him behind his back. You guys are not being very nice here...

Last edited by olegil on 30-Jun-2005 at 02:04 PM.

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Posted on 30-Jun-2005 14:05:05
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@opi

Obvious Question, does it work on Amiga One Hardware?

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Posted on 30-Jun-2005 14:15:07
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@olegil

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He seems to have a much better idea of the "current" situation (meaning not just the last months) than most people here, so I wouldn't dismiss this as mere speculation.


Hehe. I'm just saying he offers no proof of all this QNX-thing.

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No threats, no cursing. Please.


Hey! I'm not threating him.

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Some of us remember those days rather well.


I'm one of them. My friend even got orginal QNX 6.1 in a competition. He wanted to have future AmigaOS-kernel in his hands.

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I remember there was a lot of fuss around QNX as AmigaTNG


Yup, I probably still have old Amiga Magazins full of AmigaTNG articles. But I would rather say that QNX didn't trick Gateway. They just lost intrest in all this. Then Gateway lost intrest in Amiga.. and.. we know rest of this story.

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I would say, no. IIRC Pegasos port was handled by Phoenix and Greenboy. He gave away his Pegasos to QNX developers.

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Posted on 30-Jun-2005 14:25:55
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@opi

Oh, shame.

Is it usable as a OS, browsing t'interweb and stuff, or is it more something for controling automatic lathes and things like that?

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It usable as a OS, browsing t'interweb and stuff


Usable. I had it on my desktop for a 3 months, before I left for Linux. Software base is smaller than Liunx one, but you can find most of the needed software. Plus, most of good Linux software is ported. QNX can be even a small server.

The QNX Destkop was developed to bring a nice place for a QNX developers that working on embedded stuff. You know: it's easier to test and write stuff on your desktop computer, with MP3 player, browser and mailer that has same kernel that your embedded toy. That's why I think that article author is wrong. QNX desktop was not developed because they had an idea from Gateway. It was needed by QNX developers. That's all.

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@Stephen_Robinson

It is fully useable, a bit different than a regular desktop OS in some respects, but nothing one can´t get used to.

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