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If you were to open-source it, would you continue to work on it yourself? I ask this because so many projects have been open-sourced in the hope that someone else would pick it up, but nothing ever happens.

My preference would be for option 1, provided that you are able to continue development. Failing that, option 3 would be okay, so long as you are still involved. Any option in which you no longer work on it is a waste of time, IMHO.

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Fraid i don't know exactly what AVD is, but i do know how difficult it is to get A1XE boards up and running again having successfully repaired 2 of them. I hasten to add that i did not do this by myself; A-Cube, fellow amigans, perseverence and a bit of generosity go a long way in Amigaland!
I would however say to you that you are looking at around 18months total to get your A1 running.
Given the time frame does that still allow you to consider keeping AVD private? What about borrowing time on another machine while you are waiting for yours to be fixed. I know DiscreetFX have access to one, what i don't know is how friendly you all are with each other over there.?

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FWIW I agree with pretty much everything you are saying. Also I think there is a notable percentage of people waiting for resolution between Hyperion and Amiga Inc that will not spend a penny on OS4 until that happens.

AVD is probably one of the more important software releases for the platform at the moment - so as (speedy!) legal resolution should add alot more users AND developers I would go with option 1 still, but put a time-frame on it...

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Have you ever seen any form of AmigaOS5 (and not AmigaDE) running?

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Now, if you will allow me, I'll try to steer this thread back on topic. That topic being, the future plans for the completion of AVD for AmigaOS4.

Actually that is not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is "Amiga inc Hires Jamie Krueger". If you want a topic about the future plans of AVD for AOS4 thats fine of course, just create one.

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Wow, I knew when I wrote my post that there would be plenty of opinions thrown out there, but I must say some of you should to try and control that anger, it's not good for your health.

Perhaps you don't mean to do it. But what you just did in that statement amounts to being one of the oldest tricks in the book. Instead of addressing questions based on a series of factual information declare that those trying to frankly discuss something are angry. I don't see anyone angry here. So lets stow that diversionary statement (whether intended as such or not). You are free to answer what you want and ignore addressing what you want.

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I am NOT Amiga Inc., nor their spokesperson, and especially not their lap dog. I am also not a noob, I have been in the Amiga game since it's early days and been there through all the pain and suffering. And yes, I too own a T-shirt that is too small to wear and a $50 coupon I can frame on my wall.

Hmm, "lap dog"? Now who is it here that is really being emothional, you or people you called "angry"? No one called you a lap dog. No one implied that you are a lap dog. Indeed it was mentioned in the thread that your being hired along with Fran Dramis were two of the most credible things Amiga, Inc. had done in recent memory. Thats a nod of respect to you sir, not an insult.

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On the subject of Bill McEwen, I am not blind to the mistakes he has made in the past, he admits to them as much himself and regrets them more then you are likely to ever know. I also was not trying to defend any of his actions, past or present. My only point was that no one person deserves to be crucified for everything you believe went wrong over the years.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. The problem here is that you cringe at all the bad things there are to discuss, and view their mere discussion as a crucification. Bill's relationship to us is as president to a company that in theory is trying to sell us goods as consumers. And the list of issues is unfortunately long. None of those issues are the fault of us, the consumers.

And you do defend him here, you say he "regrets (his mistakes) more then you are likely to ever know". You have made a choice to believe that he is sincere. Much of the community does not share that impression. So since you are so much closer to the situation, please, help us understand. Because the truth is many folks would like nothing better than to gain some explanations about what was going throughs folks heads with Kent, OS5 talk of being ahead of schedule, etc. Help us out here Jamie.

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It is a fact that more goes on behind the scenes at a given company, and for many different reasons, than most of us ever get to see. Much less understand all the motives behind a given decision. Even as direct employee you are not always privy to what goes on and why. I for one would never claim to have such complete knowledge or insight.

Fair enough. But the community has always had an open ear for explainations, and part of the job of any company is to understand when they have shaken consumer confidence and work to really fix it. So lets be frank. You work for a damn small firm, how much of a mystery can everything be? So help us, is ADI real, with 60+ active employees in India? Why did you talk as if OS5 is not started but Bill talked as if it were much further along back in 2007. Help us understand. And if your NDA stops you, go to your boss and explain how damaged the company rep truly is.

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I would challenge any of you out there doing nothing but complaining about the state of events, to actually take as much action to try and improve them.

Excellent thought and attitude Jamie, but here's the problem (and you spoke to it in your last post in this thread)

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While the ownership of OS4 remains in doubt, how many big hardware manufacturers do you think are going to approach either Hyperion or Amiga Inc. saying, let's build two million units of 'X' that runs OS4?

Obviously this kind of thinking is not limited to a potential hardware partner, but to anyone interested in any aspect concerning AmigaOS. Potential software developers often start a conversation with questions about how the legal process is going, indicating it's a strong factor in deciding whether to devote time/money to AmigaOS.
I posted this in another thread and believe it to be true:
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You can't really help out in a closed society, other than offer your thoughts. If the legal mess ceased to exist and there was a unified leadership, then you might even see a general "cattle call" to take advantage of all the wasted talent we've all seen, who are currently shut out from participating.

My reference to "closed society" should be obvious. Participation is not encouraged. In fact, silence often envelops amigaland because of the legal situation. Jamie, this makes communication difficult to impossible and without communication, the mere discussions on how to make Amigaland better for all can never take place.

Please don't take this the wrong way. Of course development continues and some progress is made. But the root issues I think you refer to are left unattended.

Added: Your option (3) makes the most sense at this time

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JamieKrueger wrote: Hardware and the SAM440: I did not mean to ignore the SAM boards for new or available OS4 hardware. I was under the impression that so far the numbers were limited, and had some issues running OS4 stable. If I am mistaken about that, then great.

Sam440ep and the new Flex model seem to be produced at a steady pace, not in huge numbers, but apparently more or less matched to the current demand. The current OS4.1 for Sam is labeled as a beta, and it - as well as the UBoot - has some known outstanding issues, which are being worked on. But I think it would be fair to say the Sam is no less stable than the A1. It might feel a little slower as a development machine, of course, but only for stuff like compiling, not for general use, editing etc.

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AVD and Open Source: Right now I am leaning toward keeping the sources in house for the rest of this year and see if I can get my A1 machine(s) running again and continue development. I am still interested in the more feedback on this. One again, 1) Keep AVD private, and try to continue development. 2) Sell AVD to another developer to finish it. 3) Release AVD as Open Source for the community devs to complete.

I'd support your idea of going for option 1, at least for some time yet. If you get to the point where you have to give that up, maybe you could try number 2. I don't know how much you'd demand for a sale, but if you don't find a suitable buyer, and the price seems part of the reason, an alternative to falling back on option 3 could be to find someone who would take over the project cheaper or for free, while still keeping it under the control of one person or group. It might have a greater chance of staying active than with a complete open-sourcing. Especially if it would be possible for you to stay in touch in a sort of consulting role or something.

Best regards,

Niels

Edit: I agree with the opinion that this discussion really could deserve a fresh thread of its own.

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How did this:
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for me to write software for a potentially competing OS (even personally), would be a breach of my contract. So as long as Hyperion and Amiga Inc. are in conflict, and I remain working for Amiga Inc., development of AVD for AmigaOS4 remains frozen. ... 1.) Keep the sources, and hope the wind changes soon, and conditions become more favorable for continued development of AVD for AmigaOS4.

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1) Keep AVD private, and try to continue development.

In the first quote option 1 says that you cannot develope AVD at the present time, while in the second quote option 1 implies that you can develope it right now (with difficulty). I do not believe you meant to change the meaning, so therefore can you please clarify it, or people may be mislead.

I still say that it is not realistic to hope the Amiga Inc vs Hyperion situation to improve any time soon (if it has not already done so), so choosing option 1 would simply be choosing the death of AVD. The longer AVD's release (source code or otherwise) is delayed, the less value it has, partly because other people work on their own solutions.

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