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ChrisH wrote: ..... doesn't count in my book.

Didn't you hear ? Your "book" doesn't count

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@ChrisH

Well I hope the CEO can change his mind. It's not like the AROS community has bashed Commodore USA to death or anything. If there's bad blood between them two already I would be surprised. The question is how keen is CUSA to tango ? They should know it takes two to tango. AROS needs a lot polishing until it's ready to go, now worries it gets there but it happens at it's own pace are they going to help out there or just sit and watch it develope ?

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@ChrisH

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The CEO has made it abundantly clear that he has absolutely no interest in AROS now, never *had* any serious plans for AROS, and certainly won't be putting any money towards it now.

Yeah, many in this community pretty much guaranteed that will now be the case as a result of all of the endless vitriol he was subjected to for even suggesting that having AROS ship on their AIO A1200-like systems would help spur interest, benefit and support for all things Amiga including for Hyperion, EON, A-Cube, and all other developers for the Amiga platforms. Anything that gets the Amiga brand and platform noticed in a positive light benefits everyone in this community even if indirectly, regardless of what camp you're in. It would sure be nice if we were all just in the Amiga camp for a change....but that is clearly just to much to ask for from too many folks in this community.

But one thing is for sure, there is alot more of a chance of something positive happenning when you extend your hand and wish people well or provide constructive criticism where and when warranted/encouraged. Not much chance of it when there is no cooperation or discourse present, but only only shouting. Problem is that too many people in the community prefer shouting over discource or elitism/segregation/isolation over cooperation/inclusion.

We all seem to be stuck in this perpetual arm-chair CTO role in that we all seem to think we know exactly what the Amiga needs and should do/be and/or subscribe to a narrow view of what that could/should be, and resist or shout down anything that does not fit that vision. The sad thing is that we can't/don't/won't actually do anything about it but we're more than willing to shoot anyone that is/does/can if their vision doesn't match our own.

The ironic thing is that if C= USA are tremendously successful with their Commodore-Amiga plans and get noticed, then everyone, including the ones that currently think of them as being the devil incarnate, will benefit indirectly, because none of them really have a real chance or the resources at the moment to make any real in-roads into the mainstream technology market any time soon and C= appears to. Only time will tell of course, whether this proves out to be correct or not, but I'd rather be hopeful than be a nay sayer.

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@ChrisH

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Prey tell what you think C=USA might actually do to justify the Commodore/Amiga name? Even if they eventually produce their own custom PC case (rather than just rebadging existing ones), it's still only going to run Windows or Linux. The CEO has made it abundantly clear that he has absolutely no interest in AROS now, never *had* any serious plans for AROS, and certainly won't be putting any money towards it now. And Commodore/Amiga wallpaper on Linux, and/or a bundled Amiga Forever package, doesn't count in my book.

as much as it pains me to say this -- and trust me, it does -- they've already justified the brand. they bought it. that's all the justification they need.

now, if you're talking about whether their products will be worthy of the sticker on their case, that remains to be seen. indeed any of their products remain to be seen. if they ever ship anything to the general public, i think we can make a few predictions:

1. commodore USA will end up funding AROS developers here and there
2. it will either not end up being bundled, or if it is, will not be a commercial success
3. any customization to differentiate their PCs from others will be limited to the cases and artwork/themes in a linux DE or windows

i don't know how commercially successful they'll be, but then again, success for me is innovation, not profit. that's why i'm an engineer and not sales guy. as for money, everyone needs to eat, so, good luck to them.

other than their licensing a name near and dear to our hearts, they're just another PC distributor. the most they'll do is spec case design work to a chinese firm and call it their own. they will not innovate. they will just sell.

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leo, if it turns out otherwise, i'll be pleased to eat my words. make a liar out of me and show us up! make something great and be worthy of the name you have assumed! execute!

-- eliyahu

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