Hi,

here are some photos from the CES 2009 - Las Vegas USA - Show
I will add some comments very soon....

---All these images were re-sized, re-named, and re-scaled in DOpus in 4 seconds total----

http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400258_email_booths-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400262_samsung_RAM_tech-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400266_sony-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400269_handsfree_headset-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400276_red_car-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400277_pioneer-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400278_sharp_and_4b4-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400279_multi_screen-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400280_samsung_disdplay-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400283_MS-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400285_intel-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400286_io_gear-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400287_small_notebooks-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400288_lime_pc_green_computing-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400290_lime_linux_OS-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400291_limepc_minimig_size-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400293_lime_pc_macmini_size-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400297_lime_books-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400299_panasonic_green_world-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400300_panasonic_ehco_ideas-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400301_panasonic_hd_improvements-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400302_panasonic_energy_usgae-small.jpg
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/CES/2009/SV400303_panasonic_myvu-small.jpg


---Some interesting points----
IMHO 2009 should be the year of AmigaOS PPC on LimePC NoteBook...
Lime PC Team - I spoke to them and asked the following;

Q) Would you mind if other teams wrote their own OS for the hardware.
A) Unofficial response was, "NO", they don't mind. As LimeOS is open source.

LimeOS uses AbiWord and Gnumeric much like AmiCygnix is doing... plus some other browser's etc.. Their core business is making money on the hardware though.

---LimePC CPU---
Motorola's MPC603e, each core, operates up to 400 MHz, so Tri-Core should mean 1200Mhz, very fast for AmigaOS 4.x...
http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1091691
http://www.limefree.org/
http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/data_sheet/MPC5121eDS.pdf?pspll=1
Freescale MPC

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No signs of Amiga.INC this year .. ;)

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Not at the official CES, maybe some other corner of Las Vegas....

---Some interesting points----
Lime PC - I spoke to them and asked the following;

Q) Would you mind if other teams wrote their own OS for the hardware.
A) Unofficial response was, "NO", they don't mind. As LimeOS is open source.

LimeOS uses AbiWord and Gnumeric much like AmiCygnix is doing... plus some other browser's etc.. Their core business is making money on the hardware though.

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LimeOS uses AbiWord and Gnumeric much like AmiCygnix is doing... plus some other browser's etc.. Their core business is making money on the hardware though.

I fail to see how that's related to anything. I guess it's just another custom linux distro (not saying it was a bad thing or anything). Even if Amigas have been able to run unix programs requiring X since 90's, it most definitely doesn't mean it would be the best platform to do that.

PS. You should have added link to a picture "amiga_inc_os_50-small.jpg" (or similar), and just have a picture with "fooled you!" text or something

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@Jupp3

Very funny.. maybe next year...
Have a read about the Tri-Core combined PPC speed of 1200Mhz

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I think it is one core for CPU, one core for GFX and one core for audio. Expected performance could be comparable to pentium II.

@meet.mrnrg

"The MPC5121e processor is built around an efficient triple-core architecture consisting of a Power Architecture core, a 3D-graphics processor core and a CD-quality audio processor core. "

Only ONE PPC processor core, the other two cores are the PowerVR graphics processor and the AXE audio core.

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Jupp3 Very funny.. maybe next year... Have a read about the Tri-Core combined PPC speed of 1200Mhz

Which is marketing bla bla to avoid to name the bare 400 MHz core of the 5121. Plus it is wrong! The AXE unit (the third core) is running at half the speed. So if the want to add the clocks of their three cores, then the should do a better math and come to a value of 1000MHz.
But is it marketing bla bla anyway.
Did the Limepc guy mentioned the cache coherence problems? Well, I guess he didn't (for a reason).
Anyway, the performance of a e300/400MHz chip is okay, but to be honest quite underpowerd for today's standards and much too underpowered for a device targetting 250 US$. For $180 it would be another story.

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Features -- I WOULD CHECK to see if this is per core! and what they do in multi-core setups, as in: 1) you get 3 x of each 2) second and third layer have only CPU? etc..
* e300 core built on Power Architecture technology
* Up to 400 MHz performance and 760 MIPS
* AXE, a 32-bit RISC audio accelerator engine
* PowerVR® MBX Lite 2D/3D Graphics Engine
* DIU Integrated Display Controller supports up to XGA resolution
* 12 programmable serial controllers (PSC)

The MPC5121e has an integrated graphics engine, the PowerVR® MBX Lite IP core designed by Imagination Technologies, which supports 3D acceleration. With a 128-bit interface, this graphics engine has incredible performance. A separate 32-bit RISC audio acceleration engine (AXE) provides acceleration of popular media formats including MP3, AAC, WMA, AMR, Ogg Vorbis, and others. The audio acceleration engine can
also support sample rate conversion important to speech recognition.

The MPC5121e integrated processor includes multiple cores and multiple buses, helping to avoid high clock rates to obtain high performance. The excellent balance between operating power consumption and performance allows for lower system cost and higher reliability. The low standby power consumption also makes the product suitable for portable applications.

The flexibility of the MPC5121e provides customers a platform for a variety of product applications. Its rich set of integrated I/O includes PCI, SATA, PATA, Ethernet, USB 2.0, CAN, twelve programmable serial controllers, and numerous others. The integrated display controller (DIU) allows for cost-effective support of thin film transistor (TFT) LCD panel displays with up to 1280 x 720 resolution.

Again, the MPC5121e uses the e300 CPU core, with 32-Kbyte instruction cache and 32-Kbyte data cache, based on the Power Architecture. Wide support of RTOS, software drivers, middleware, and application solutions from mobileGT alliance members is already in progress. This can greatly reduce development lead times and expense while improving software quality. The MPC5121e is designed for application code
compatibility with current solutions on the MPC5200 and for easy scalability across product solutions. The MPC5121e is also fully pin compatible and software compatible with the MPC5123, for applications where a 3D graphics engine is not required.
The many embedded memory buffers help ensure balanced system performance and system bus throughput. The performance of the MPC5121e is enhanced by having well-balanced system resources for the integrated core, graphics and audio engines, as well as the DDR1 and DDR2 memory controllers with integrated 64-channel DMA support.

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here are some photos from the CES 2009 - Las Vegas USA - Show

Any pics from the great stuff at the Toshiba booth? The new Cell lcd tv's and 4 core notebooks. Sony also had some interesting flex OLED on display.

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Only ONE PPC processor core, the other two cores are the PowerVR graphics processor and the AXE audio core.

That would make much more sense in "amiga-like" OS, as with real multicore, the extra cores would just be wasted.

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---Some interesting points----

Netbooks were/are the in product this year at CES. Just about everyone has one brand or a knockoff. The Lime was about the only PPC based netbook. Others are based on Via, Intel, AMD and even saw a chinese cpu x600 something.

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@Jupp3

TRUE - But i think this platform is the ideal stepping stone for the community.
1) All skills gained from understanding and implementing on this platform would be easily marketable to other companies seeking new talent and know how.
2) The reference hardware is rock solid, no doubt. So why try finding another solution in the multi-core space to expand AmigaOS to, when they have no laptop enabled versions ready for packaging and sale with excellent support & backup.

After AmigaOS is running in multi-core mode mode and optimized in this scenario the SKY would can be the limit for the high-end version of multi-core desktop setup.

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NO, I figure these are all under-review by others though. So plenty of pics and doco from them.

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Alkaron Not at the official CES, maybe some other corner of Las Vegas.... ---Some interesting points---- Lime PC - I spoke to them and asked the following; Q) Would you mind if other teams wrote their own OS for the hardware. A) Unofficial response was, "NO", they don't mind. As LimeOS is open source. LimeOS uses AbiWord and Gnumeric much like AmiCygnix is doing... plus some other browser's etc.. Their core business is making money on the hardware though.

This is utter fluff, as you are prone to do.

LimeOS is just a modified Linux distro, so uhh, yeah, it runs AbiWord 'like Cygnix,' because it's running X. It also has nada to do with the hardware question.

The CPU speed fluff has already been commented on.

Having said that, to whomever said LimeBooks is overpriced. Let's see - a laptop with PPC for ~$250, or a SAM mobo only for what, $800? The Limebook is looking like *quite* the deal from this side, even if the speed could be better.

I'd love to see OS4 on it.

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People have already debunked 'tri-core' - it's not SMP. Amusingly, I think it was Darth_X, see his prior comments. And, as is still the case, IF they even offer a true multi-core (such as double the 'tri-core' on one die), AOS still isn't SMP enabled, and I wouldn't necessarily worry about that before other things. Claims of 'amazing performance' and such are relative, but..

It doesn't have cache coherency, but considering pricing on the thing, and the desperate desire to have *any* Amiga laptop...

No GigE, but it's a laptop. Has USB2 + SATA.

Again, would love to see OS4 on this - it's the right price for people to be willing to part with the $ 'to try OS4', eg under the 'entertainment budget' versus a $1000+ system. Could actually get new users, if it can be ported and OS4 sold for it.

Big question is - is LimePC intended to be sold direct or is Lime intending to be the OE for VARs? (the former would be preferable, meaning it might actually go into production and be purchasable). If it actually winds up being sold....let's hope some things are sorted - this could expand the OS4 user base *far* more than the sometimes available SAM has done IF a port can be done and sold.

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BTW, please attempt to put your posts into appropriate forums. This has nothing to do with 'Amiga Emulation.'

Moving.

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On LimePC.com it says:

As the advantaged hardware and software design,our LimeBook is nearly the lowest power consumption laptop in the world!

A selling point, especially with global warming etc. I'd like to see Amiga OS4 on this. Amiga or Hyperion could try to make a partnership with Lime. So far they only have their custom PPC Linux OS, LimeOS. I think they'd have to sell the OS cheaply for it to succeed.

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appropriate forums??? maybe you should check your code! That's not my part.

The FLUFF.... well that's going to be the nice FLUFFY lotion were looking for!
And if were lucky then its will be a "FLUFFY Cushion". We need to land on something like this... and other FLUFF like caching will need to be discussed. As you know, LimeOS works on it... So no argument there.

AND YES... they may be willing to sell OEM parts to the right people, or just do retailing, after which any OS can be sold on it.

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Yes, appropriate forums. No clue why you're quoting my login.

Are you *really* incapable of understanding that a CES show set of pics and discussion has NOTHING to do with 'Amiga Emulation,' where you put this thread?

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