Seems Intel is getting serious about taking ARM head on...

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/17/intel-bay-trail-200/

If this is true, than I expect Win8.x making big gains on the mobile market... If I can get a Win8 tablet or netbook/laptop for 200-300$, than what's the point of Android?
Also, this probably makes Windows RT a dead end product, if it wasn't already.

Bay-Trail is the completely new Atom SoC generation with 22 nm process and new CPU core with Intel HD based GPU.

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@WolfToTheMoon

Interesting.

Right now with CPU prices for new Amigas are sky high, we need to rethink the current climate.

Maybe we need to focus on small devices and make money and a following.

Hire developers on elance.com give them an Amiga developer system and get some software developed.

For example if Amiga could run on the Epiphany multicore chips, we could have $99 super computer systems :

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone?ref=category

Amiga will not get far if we continue to be held hostage on monopolized processor/parts prices.

An Amiga tablet on kickstarter to raise a few million would be awsome!
To do this we need an easy way for people to licence the Amiga ROM.

Make it difficult and more and more people are going to ignore the Amiga and its chips eg AGA lack of documentation killed Commodore.

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@asymetrix

never gonna happen....

It was a design decission way back and now we're stuck with it.

Frankly I dont think we would have been in a worse state when we would have switched to x86 back then, then we are now.....

But, we'll see.....

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It is interesting smaller (USFF,SFF) DELL PC models often costs more than the larger desktop (DT) variant whit more expiation slots.

USFF: Ultra Small Form Factor
SFF: Small Form Factor
DT: Desktop

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How about off the shelf tablets. we need to partner with a large manufacturer.

I would put AmigaOS on any of these :

http://www.ahappydeal.com/notebook-umpc-c-95.html

with prices under 250 USD

Once we got cheep hardware, make a games developer suite which adds on to iphone/android developer suites to ease porting.

We get a tablet foothold and make some money selling apps and games.

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How about off the shelf tablets. we need to partner with a large manufacturer.

They already have Android.

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I think you are living in a fantasy world. Look realistically at who holds all the control of AmigaOS4.x, or the Amiga name and trademarks. Hyperion, or Amiga Inc. do not have the resources or money available to rewrite any version of AmigaOS for another architecture. Hyperion has difficulty just going forward fast enough to keep existing AmigaOS4.x users interested on the PPC architecture. To my knowledge, Amiga Inc. has never really produced anything worthwhile, and never will.

It is not cost effective, or good business for any other company to purchase either Hyperion (and it is not for sale), or Amiga Inc. and then spend the thousands of dollars it would take to port either AmigaOS3.x, or AmigaOS4.x to a different architecture.

The Amiga users are too few and too fragmented to raise millions of dollars in any Kickstarter project. I would love for that to not be true, but sadly there is no chance that all of the current and former Amiga users will ever agree to support any single path forward to a new architecture. A great many Amiga users are content with the Amiga remaining just a retro platform and want it to remain that way, forever on the 68k platform where it was created.

I do agree that it would be a great benefit for the NG Amiga community to have cheaper hardware available. But even if new hardware was available for only $99, it would not automatically mean that the Amiga (or AmigaOne) would then return to the glory days of the late 1980's, or early 1990's. Those days are long gone, and probably will never be duplicated by any one company or product ever again. The Amiga was and IS special. It will take a paradigm shift to something that none of us can even imagine, to come close to anything like the huge leap forward that the original Amiga was at the time of its release.

So, look at the "Big Picture" and deal with the reality we have in our community today. Living in fantasy world will always lead to disappointment when reality raises up and makes itself known.

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than what's the point of Android?

Let's see... Here's a try... From most to least important:

-Years on the market (most popular mobile platform)

-Lots of "must have" applications (although many more probably have Windows/X86 version, but no Windows RT version)

-Cheaper price (I have a feeling any X86 based tablet is going to be more expensive than at least cheapest ARM models, besides you need to pay Microsoft more if you're using Windows)

-There's been uncertainity, whether or not Microsoft will introduce their own branded products, which has kept most manufacturers in "wait-and-see" mode, which keeps choices few, and prices up

-Many users probably prefer running Windows on a "real" computer, with real keyboard and everything

-Considering Windows 8 has failed to gain significant success anywhere (desktop or mobile, on desktop it's "somewhat successful" only because of you can't get a new X86 computer with Windows 7 anymore), why would it happen on tablets now? There are both Windows RT and Windows 8 tablets on the market already, no-one is just buying them

-Operators are already actively selling them with network connection deals (why waste time & effort on yet another platform when Android and iOS are doing extremely well? Especially when the platform hasn't done well at all until now)

-Lots of manufacturers to choose from

-No "computer legacy" (most popular windows applications have been written for the "desktop side" to be used with a mouse and keyboard) - many "must have" Windows applications aren't very "touch friendly"

-Windows is thought as "desktop OS" by many people, so having it on a tablet would seem out-of-place

-All Android devices combined are probably way bigger source of income for Microsoft than all Windows phones / tablets combined (would be a very bad business decision for Microsoft to kill them, even if they could)

Seriously, what would be the point of Windows on a tablet? Sure, not as crazy with X86 than ARM...

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I have no idea, we don't use notebooks @ work.

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@thread

all im saying is the desktop PC is dead.
Microsoft is giving away Windows 8 at $40 tells you they dont care about loss in sales, they want a foothold - they need the customer base.

noone is buying pcs as much these days, they are moving away.

i say we dont need to concentrate on the PC market.

Find a nice tablet, port AmigaOS and make some money with some cool games.

we just need the customers - the userbase 50,000 minimum.

Get developers an easy to use game making kit and people would buy a tablet knowing AmigaOS is running on it too.

Developers make 2 types of games, some native to the tablet, some for AmigaOS Tablet v 1.0

at least there is some income coming in, we make a new game community / website with stats/scores etc and have fun with our little devices.

in the background we research cheap desktop solutions, even if it takes a few years.

if done right, any developer on any platform can easily port to Amiga Tablet and be Amiga desktop compatible.

2D/3D hardware acceleration with say Python/C using easyport (c) system.

Im sure the Amiga community can make loads of games.

i have used Android and its 'not that great' !

Where there is a will there is a way. Staying static we are going nowhere.

I can hire and pay for developers if system is upto $250, not above.

keep the faith..

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Tablet is not enough.

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all im saying is the desktop PC is dead.

hardly, just upgraded my i7 pc, you cant get real work done with those tablets and their crippled apps. take look at photoshop.

@WolfToTheMoon

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If this is true, than I expect Win8.x making big gains on the mobile market... If I can get a Win8 tablet or netbook/laptop for 200-300$, than what's the point of Android?

With people running AWAY from Win8, most would be happy sticking with Android.

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@asymetrix

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all im saying is the desktop PC is dead.

All I am saying is, you are wrong!

Sure I can use my android smartphone to RDP to our windows servers, but there is no way I can use my smartphone or any other touchscreen device for programming. There is no way our designers can use them for design, and so on.

So desktop puters are far from dead, quite the opposite.

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@Yssing

Thats what i hear at game developer conferences, GDC.

Alot of companys cannot create games with PCs in their offices, they use networked cloud servers for compiling/processing/design.

All they need is a connection to cloud.

With the Playstation 4 - a beefed up PC that is introducing streaming games via cloud, cloud services and google apps online is paving a new way in technology use.

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@asymetrix

Amiga companies don't have the resources to bring it to a point where any tablet company would even bother to take a look at OS4. Android is already here, it already has a tablet/touch friendly UI, it's maturing and there is a wealth of software available. OS4 has no chance to capture any of this market.

OS4 (or other NG's for that matter) is a nice desktop OS for small market of people who have a big love for Workbench. Make the most what's available, have fun and support the companies/devs as best you can but accept that it's not going to set the world alight.

@asymetrix

Yawn...

How many years have we been hearing the "death of desktops" only for them to continue. And most average consumers aren't in a position where they can reliably use cloud services to play games. This was one of the big fallbacks with Onlive, which did a pheonix trick of opening a new company called Onlive when Onlive went bankrupt......

Yeah confusing.

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@asymetrix

Have you tired writing code on a tablet/smartphone?
It's not doable.

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I tried writing python on a tablet and I wanted to throw it out of a window after just a few lines.

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My point exactly :)

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