Thinks that would make me want it is:

-It runs AOS 4
-It's a good price
-It comes in a really stylish case with the classic Amiga-logo
-One thing that I think is important when looking at console-replicas are the controllers that comes with it. The Tac-2? That alone would make me want to buy it.

Except that it would obviously play Amiga-games and run Amiga-software it should come with other emulators as well.

But selling old games... I don't think that's a good idea at all when you can play them for free everywhere. Maybe if you can download huge packages and get it installed for you you might charge a little and get away with it. Anyway... new apps/games to sell through AmiStore, absolutely.

Yeah... I'd buy it.

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Pleng wrote: @hotrod The OS is irrelevant to the target "mass market". The idea in the OP was "let's make a device that can do x,y and z... and sell it to the masses so that we can have a cheap OS 4 machine". The trouble is that there's already plenty of machines that can already do x,y and z. You're not going to convince them to pay more, for an inferior product, just to feed your habit.

Correct, which why the opposite has to be done and port to cheap existing hardware.

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@hotrod

that is perhaps true for you but the idea was to sell it outside and there AOS 4 is irrelevant

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Correct, which why the opposite has to be done and port to cheap existing hardware.

since the dedicated policy of involved companies (sic!) is exactly the opposite (since ever), what are arguing about, again?

@thread

Just for historical reference, since this thread seemed to be about Amiga "under the hood" and not necessarily about knowing it WAS "under the hood".

This was already done in the 90's with Casablanca.

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This was already done in the 90's with Casablanca.

most notably whithout involving any so called "amiga os" afaik.

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@wawa

Early version of the Casablanca were shrinked versions of the Draco in HW and used an "invisible" and patched AmigaOS as base SW.

A normal user of those systems would never been able to guess the Amiga connection.

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most notably whithout invilving any so called "amiga os" afaik.

I think some reading might help you for this topic:

The definitive Macrosystem Casablanca hack thread!

Keep in mind they had a license until the Amiga Inc./Hyperion settlement agreement, where they were removed without explanation.

Cloanto updated their own legal pages thereafter, which is why the link in the post below won't show any hits for Macrosystems.

Source of changes

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It's irrelevant to sell Amiga hardware with AmigaOS? Ooookidoki

@hotrod

it is irrelevant for most people outside if it is called amiga and if it runs AmigaOS (or MorphOS or Aros)... people use devices for special purposes like tablets or smartphones, for what would they need a PPC device with AmigaOS. For gaming they use game consoles or smartphones. And if you are interested in a fun platform there is Raspberry that is much cheaper then any custom PPC device ever could be.

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It's irrelevant to sell Amiga hardware with AmigaOS? Ooookidoki

this is what made amiga a succesful product. you have got a device you could feed with programs and games on floppies and hardly anyone even cared if there was any "amiga os" there, except maybe when they had to use workbench. so yes, what you refer to as "amiga os", namely something that constantly comes in your way, something you need to mess with just even to get programs start, and something that you accidentaly enjoy to mess with, others would happily skip on, this is not what general audience wants.

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Why? From where comes this assumption that users should not need to spend time in CLI? Most users I have had contact with, including my mom, love learning a command line shell, because unlike user interfaces, the CLIs do not change every second year, so what you learn remains useful. Also using CLI empowers them, they feel awesome typing commands, learning them one after the other, and reading the output. Giving support over phone to someone using CLI is way more easy than with GUI. I find it ironic how these days, everyone is supposed to learn "programming", yet heavens forbid we ever have to use a CLI.

Then I find it strange that command line shell is not included in PS3 or BlueRay player or you're SmartTV, if it's easier to use then a GUI, and if it's easier to remember commands for granmom's around the world.

Way did people stop using MSDOS anyway? I wonder how they managed to trick people into using GUI's?

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I know for a fact that lots of people are unhappy with Android. You can buy smartphones, consoles, mediacenters etc with Android so sure, if everyone was happy with these solutions then fine but that's not the case. Some buy Apple products instead... some buy Microsoft... and some still want another option than those. AmigaOS i a box can't replace such devices featurewise and shall therefor not be marketed as such. I don't think that's the idea either. There are lots of retro-consoles available that obviously are selling well so why wouldn't this?

Also I got the impression that AmigaOS will have a different appearence than Workbench and be easy to
use, similar to Android, iOS, whatever the OSes used on consoles are named... and if it's marketed as a fun Amiga product used primarly for gaming why wouldn't it sell?

You discuss pricing but I am talking about the concept now. I agree that porting it to the cheapest, best fiting hardware would be best if it gets too expensive but if it gets too expensive to make sense why discuss it at all? The question was about the idea of the concept and yes I believe that it would sell

Imagine walking into some supermarket, see this package that allows you to run Amiga games, modern apps etc, just connect and play and all for a good price.

Just like people who loved the Megadrive, SNES or whatever gets tempted to buy retro hardware there are people who grew up with Amiga that would buy something similar but for Amiga games.

Anyway... I'm very sceptic but that's how I look at it. I wonder too who would be able to build cheap PPC-hardware and if that succeeds the whole product needs to be very polished... oh well... it seems more like a dream than reality but the concept is still good IMO.

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there are people who grew up with Amiga that would buy something similar but for Amiga games.

Which leads you to issues concerning copyright, trademark, licensing, etc.

Let's not forget what a biblical level fail Amiga Games Inc. has been.

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issues concerning copyright, trademark, licensing, etc.

You just rip the ROM from one of your old Amigas, even if it's scrap now and probably been through a recycling system more than once.

@number6

There are too many disasters in the Amigaworld. I like the idea of a cheap, easy to use system, that's all. One is very much needed in some form.

Damn it's summer. No more discissions about the Amigamarket for me.

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@Leo The point was that the idea from Chris isn't bad just because AOS lacks MP............

Who talked about SMP ? I didn't.......

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@Leo so what would YOU do different in 2015?

I don't know what could be done: the Ouya was powerful enough, cheap enough, was compatible with Android which meant lots of games, and yet, it failed.

So I don't see what Amiga would bring: nothing more if you ask me.

The only thing I can think of that could work is an "Amiga in a Joystick", ala C64DTV. And here, the OS (it should have some kind of AOS: be it original 1.x kickstart, or AROS compatible one), the hardware is totally irrelevant.

It should just work, be simple, and be cheap enough. Current Amiga reimplementations are way too complex (you need to get and install your own ROM image + files) and too expensive (200€ is the price of a Wii U: that's far too much).

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I wonder if Amino got anything more than left over stock and the naming rights?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB94670787177067720

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