@clebin

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Taking your example, in the QT thread I started later, I talked about KOffice. That could look and run a million times better on AmigaOS than OO4Kids.

Nice software, without doubt. However, how many years must we wait for port of something perfect? I would like to use software now.

I even read some posts of prominent MorphOS developers stating they could make something like AmiCygnix, but that wouldn´t be perfect solution...

...so the OS that pretends to be the most mature of all "Amiga-like" platforms has text editors (word processors) as useful as "Write" on my 486SX notebook with Windows 3.1.


Today, bloated AbiWord/AmiCygnix is better than not-avaiable perfect KOffice.

@clebin

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MUI is a cross-platform framework.

MUI3.9 is cross-platform framework,
MUI4.X is a MorphOS only framework.

Zune is Open source frame work, one day in a distant future it might be the number one choice.

While we wait for this to happen, we can enjoy QT its advanced and used in Windows and Linux apps, and we rally need apps right now.

And did you know QT as was developed by Norwegians, so it has to be the best toolkit

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@clebin

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Taking your example, in the QT thread I started later, I talked about KOffice. That could look and run a million times better on AmigaOS than OO4Kids. But while OpenOffice has lots of threads devoted to it, the alpha release of QT was released without a single post here.

QT itself is useless without applications and it doesnt mean with QT you could recompile all open source applications straight away.

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@itix

It will always depend the application, but GUI part is often the biggest obstetrical.
Beside “fork()” and other missing lib dependencies.

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An memory usage, like QT GUI with 2MB stack as minimum... On Linux such applications can run efficiently thanks to advanced memory management (automatic stack enlarging, transparent virtual memory etc) but on Amiga you have to allocate with a maximum memory usage.

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@itix

Look at this news-item:

QT ported to Haiku

You'll see screen-shots of some of those applications running in OS 4. That was in November 2009. The Arora web-browser was also running at that stage. In January 2010, KOffice and VLC were released.

Haiku may have lots more people working on it or the OS 4 author may have limited time, so perhaps it takes 12 months... who knows? But I think it shows there's no reason for such pessimism.

Chris

@clebin

Looks like expectations were not high...

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Overall, I was quite impressed with the demo apps. While most of them probably won’t be used much on their own (with the exceptions of Arora and the games), it’s still encouraging to see them running at all.

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I didn’t encounter many problems or crashes – the most common issue was that some of the applications crashed on exit.

If you read descriptions many applications and games didnt work at all.

I agree something like KOffice (I assume it is good) could be good to have but generally those small utils are not worth of it. From Aminet you can find full blown scientific calculator from 90s with modern GUI. It is much better than this QT Calculator which even lacks keyboard support.

Sure, go ahead and port this chess game which wont let you play :P

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@itix

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Aminet you can find full blown scientific calculator from 90s with modern GUI. It is much better than this QT Calculator which even lacks keyboard support.

If I remember correctly, first versions of Amiga OS on A1000 were as stable and useable as this port of QT... Even our great OS had such hard beginning.

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: ...so the OS that pretends to be the most mature of all "Amiga-like" platforms has text editors (word processors) as useful as "Write" on my 486SX notebook with Windows 3.1.

As for your attempt to do a side kick: I use google docs and zoho on the most mature "Amiga-like" OS. Works great with OWB. As alternative I still can use MSO or OOo either on the very same maschine or some other pc.

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@Zylesea

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As for your attempt to do a side kick:

Sorry...

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I use google docs and zoho

Do these support footnotes? Last time I checked the answer was no.

@meet.mrnrg

Plus the Amigas coming from C=USA. There should be interesting times coming in 2011.

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@damocles

Excluding the 'Amigas' coming from C=USA. There should be interesting times coming in 2011.

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@djrikki

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Excluding the 'Amigas' coming from C=USA. There should be interesting times coming in 2011.

Well then, if we include "Amigas" coming from C=USA, there should be some extraordinary times coming in 2011.

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@meet.mrnrg

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @clebin The Operating System Amiga OS, will one day become much fatter and slower, but at least it will be choice, a choice made at install time. CPU Architecture will also change, they will be fatter and slower, but massively more capable of doing multiple tasks in parallel. As for Java I just contributed a whole chunk of code for a PKI Software (Thin Client / Agent), and in it is HTTP, HTTPS, XML enabled. Its multi-threaded etc... So here is the STATS XML & HTTP MODE = 7.0 to 15.0 MBytes to run 24x7 XML & HTTPS MODE = 10.0 to 25.0 MBytes to run 24x7 7-25 MBytes is hardly bloat ware these days, and it does the job for a large company with who has $166.81 Billion Dollars US in market capital. Java is neither a poor man's tool, because you only need 4MBytes to get up and running in RAM, and its not a rich man's toy because Java can map more RAM and more disk space than is accessible via a 64Bit operating system.

That dosent mean it has to become as bloat and unresponsive as Windows/linux/OSX.
I will be happy as long as it is about as responsive and fast on whatever hardware is available at time when those versions are released. I dont most people expect it to be optimal for ancient hardware forever. OS4.1 is already alot more heavy than OS3.x, but yet it is more responsive than OS3.x was on the classic. The problem with most major OSes is that they run slow/non responsive even on high end modern systems.

@damocles

Do you actually care about C=USA's line of branded PC's or do you like to keep mentioning them on a site that isn't really interested because you think you're being controversial?

@pavlor

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I even read some posts of prominent MorphOS developers stating they could make something like AmiCygnix, but that wouldn´t be perfect solution...

It's very easy to to build this alien X11 environment mess : http://fabportnawak.free.fr/gtk2.png .

It's about 3-4 years old and there was also enlightenment working, but this stuff is definitely too crappy to deserve any kind of release.

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@Fab

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It's about 3-4 years old and there was also enlightenment working, but this stuff is definitely too crappy to deserve any kind of release.

Nice.

It is really shameful that text editors for MorphOS are "as good" as Write in Windows 3.1.

I would even pay for some MS Word compatible application supporting footnotes.


I fear only useable solution for MorphOS is MSWord in DosBox (Windows 3.1/95). Do you think it is better than AmiCygnix?

@Rob

Our friend the moderator from commodore-amiga.org is probably just trying to cause a fight. Knowing that background information gives us a pretty good hint as to why.

@Rob

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Do you actually care about C=USA's line of branded PC's

Yes I do.

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Well we don't, so kindly stop spamming forum bull 5hit from C=USA.

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