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So did a NY state case actually start or is it sitting in limbo at the moment?

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@tomazkid

Ah! Let's start "part2" on the right foot.

Your post... "Part 1 here." took 3 tries? Heh!


@fairlanefastback

Let's not forget vacation times, leave of absence, other court business, and the myriad of delays that can prevent you receiving weekly reading material.

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Your post... "Part 1 here." took 3 tries? Heh!

Yep, got the url wrong

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@number6 Quote:Your post... "Part 1 here." took 3 tries? Heh! Yep, got the url wrong

np. By the time we reach part 9 or so, you'll have the proper experience in linking the Itec threads.

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@tomazkid

Should (could) Amiga users launch a class action against all parties for emotional abuse and basically just force everyone to get along?

@fairlanefastback

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fairlanefastback wrote: @all So did a NY state case actually start or is it sitting in limbo at the moment?

The same place Amiga's Good Times Around The Corner Is, Its in a Black Hole.

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Should (could) Amiga users launch a class action against all parties for emotional abuse and basically just force everyone to get along?

There are no laws that cover emotional distress, that's considered a personal problem by a judge.

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@sundown

While we have no contract so there is no breech or perceived breech, I was thinking more along the lines of a series of annoying suites with which to pepper the parties (legless as the suites may be) as a way to pester folks into a less expensive and more productive arbitration.

@FluffyMcDeath

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Should (could) Amiga users launch a class action against all parties for emotional abuse and basically just force everyone to get along?

Nice idea, but not achievable. In the UK a disappointed Middlesbrough fan tried to sue the club for mental anguish caused by their relegation from the English Premier football (soccer) league a few years back. Needless to say he lost his case.

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Of course we didnt actually conclude that, and I think if we look at the 5 bullet points at the front of Annex I, you are going to have alot of trouble arguing your case especially with a December 2004 date.

Tig, we've already gone through that discussion, why don't you search back the forums and read my arguments again to refresh your memory.

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In addition, if we look at the 5 bullet points that start Annex I, we see the AmigaOne mentioned quite clearly so this Escena excuse that is currently being used, should go away as well.

Why don't you take a look at the beginning of the contract under "Definitions":
"Amiga One" means the PPC hardware product developed by Escena Gmbh for the Amiga One Partners, initially intended to operate in conjunction with an Amiga 1200

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So now you believe the 3.9 developers they contracted with directly missed there goals and thats what made the OS late? They got the source code for Exec, exec took over a year to boot, can you explain how that fits into your theory?

I don't believe, I know. Working with contracted part-time developers who often have little spare time is a problem, and since your contrat with them is your only access to the source code you can't just get rid of someone when he's not making enough progress. The delays of exec development have many reasons. For example the fact that the new hardware was standalone caused additional tasks such as removing hardware-dependencies from the AmigaOS source code and the development of the booter/second level booter. Things would have been much simpler if the initial AmigaOne would have been an addon for classic Amiga hardware as originally planned. Also you may recall that according to the original plan WarpOS code would have been used for the kernel, but that code turned out to be unsuitable, which is why ExecSG was developed instead.

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Eyetech entered into the deal because they could make $300 a unit, Hyperion entered into the deal to get control of the OS and an eternal trademark license when AI went down. Neither company entered into the deal for the love of the Amiga platform.

It's funny how you even claim to know better than Eyetech themselves how much they gained/lost with the AmigaOne. Why not just stop with making up stuff and stick with the facts?

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When considering original intuition and graphics libraries were already obsolete and mostly junk, bcpl ridden dos and exec written in assembler, it could be said Hyperion gave too much weight for original source code. It is nice to have but was it really worth of it?

The source code itself, probably not. However the Amiga name seems to grab a lot of attention still.

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COBRA wrote: It's funny how you even claim to know better than Eyetech themselves how much they gained/lost with the AmigaOne. Why not just stop with making up stuff and stick with the facts?

No, I know that Terrasoft could sell the boards for over $300 cheaper then Eyetech and wasnt going to lose money on them, so Eyetech had to be making 300 a unit. I'll address the other issues of your post later.
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Tigger wrote: @COBRA Quote: COBRA wrote: It's funny how you even claim to know better than Eyetech themselves how much they gained/lost with the AmigaOne. Why not just stop with making up stuff and stick with the facts? No, I know that Terrasoft could sell the boards for over $300 cheaper then Eyetech and wasnt going to lose money on them, so Eyetech had to be making 300 a unit. I'll address the other issues of your post later. -Tig

How do you know Terrasoft was getting the boards at the same price as Eyetech? How much volume one deals in affects prices all the time, among other factors, perhaps with exchange rates, timing of purchases, import/export duties etc etc. Also one may have just negotiated a better deal than the other. The basis for your assumption just proves out you are dealing with a guess. Maybe its a good guess, but its no fact so far as you present it.

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No, I know that Terrasoft could sell the boards for over $300 cheaper then Eyetech and wasnt going to lose money on them, so Eyetech had to be making 300 a unit. I'll address the other issues of your post later.

Yes, but as I remember that surplus was to finance the making of OS4 too.
Can't recall atm where I did see that, some old post from Alan or Fleecy perhaps?

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@tomazkid

All boards apart from the earliest orders had an OEM version of OS4 included in the price. I wonder how much per board Eyetech paid Amiga Inc for the AmigaOne name.

@Tigger

First of all Eyetech was not selling the boards directly to customers, the boards were sold by dealers, and the dealers have obviously taken their share of the sales, and you don't know how much the dealers got the boards for. Also add the price of OS4 which is over 100 EUR that was included. Also, pricing depends very much on the quantity of boards produced per batch. Usually parts become considerably cheaper when the order is over 1000 pieces, and of course setting up the production run also means considerable price reduction per board with higher quantities. Eyetech only produced a few hunderd boards per batch. Then there's the question of how much royalties Eyetech had to pay Amiga Inc. for each board sold (or if there were any additional licensing costs). So when you say Eyetech made $300 per board, you're just guessing, as usual (and you're probably totally wrong, as usual...)

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fairlanefastback wrote: How do you know Terrasoft was getting the boards at the same price as Eyetech? How much volume one deals in affects prices all the time, among other factors, perhaps with exchange rates, timing of purchases, import/export duties etc etc.

I know Alan offered to match the Terrasoft price to try and steal a linux client from Terrasoft and given how the original orders were done, there wasnt alot of difference between the price Terrasoft was going to get and the price Alan paid. As for the rest, I know all about those things, we make lots of motherboards for lots of different people.
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Rob wrote: @tomazkid All boards apart from the earliest orders had an OEM version of OS4 included in the price. I wonder how much per board Eyetech paid Amiga Inc for the AmigaOne name.

According to the contract $25 a unit went to AI from Eyetech.
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Terra Soft Solutions, Inc. 451 North Railroad Avenue, Suite 102 Loveland, CO 80537

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Well, for a start importing into the EU means you have to add 17.5% VAT to the retail sales price.
Back then, the AmigaOne sold for around £600 (iirc), which equated to around $1000. Consequently $150 of that goes straight to the VAT man. (1000/1.175=851)

THEN you have the license cost to Amiga Inc for using the Amiga name.
And the cost of an OEM copy of OS4 (included with most boards)
And a cut to the dealer.
And some to cover the overheads of advertising, product development, paying staff, fixed overheads, etc, etc etc.

So where did you get that $300 from again?

EDIT - pound sign mistakenly used instead of filthy dollar sign.

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