Once again I am trying to spark up a general topic conversation for those who want to talk about just about anything like freezing rain, the release of the A4000 and what the press thought, trying to build the AAA chipset and what would be the purpose and which tea is best, etc...

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@A500

If its Amiga related cool but otherwise this would have been better posted in the Free For All section but assuming it is Amiga related then I think a conversation would be cool about how the return (also known as the big enter key) was big on some 500s and smaller on other later models

Anyone know why this was?

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Earthling wrote: @A500 If its Amiga related cool but otherwise this would have been better posted in the Free For All section but assuming it is Amiga related then I think a conversation would be cool about how the return (also known as the big enter key) was big on some 500s and smaller on other later models Anyone know why this was?

maybe keyboards for other languages needed an extra key so the return key was made smaller?

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@A500

As long as its an AAA with modern technology and processes, the original spec for the AAA is far too obsolete.

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@Darth_X

True, it is obsolete, but just imagine seeing what the next Amiga would have been like?

Kind of like the Clone-A -- it is obsolete, but still has enough people wanting to see it.

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@A500

I read an old post on Amigaworld.net about OS5. Someone said that they thought OS5 was being built on top of QNX. That was the only way, they thought, that it could be better than Mac OSX, and with a small team.

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True, it is obsolete, but just imagine seeing what the next Amiga would have been like? Kind of like the Clone-A -- it is obsolete, but still has enough people wanting to see it.

A5000 would have had PCI (Haynie was working on PCI during his last days at C=) so I would guess by now C= would be using 3rd party SLI cards like everyone else with x86_64 CPU. Which is what C= should have done back when 486s were passing 68Ks up. Handwriting was pretty much on the wall by then 68K was done. It would have been a great move on C='s part to be able to buy parts both for clone and Amiga in larger lots and slowly migrate the Amiga to pure x86 and may (or may not) work on Hombre to compete against nVidia Rita for Amiga and clone markets.

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Al4 wrote: @A500 I read an old post on Amigaworld.net about OS5. Someone said that they thought OS5 was being built on top of QNX. That was the only way, they thought, that it could be better than Mac OSX, and with a small team.

Forever ago, AI claimed OS4 was to be built on top of QNX, with some level of agreement in place with the QNX folks. This never materialized.

Anything about OS5 is pure speculation, tinted by a long history of lies coming from AI.

Amiga Inc will *never* produce *anything* 'better than OS X.' :-/

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@A500

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A500 wrote: Once again I am trying to spark up a general topic conversation for those who want to talk about just about anything like freezing rain, the release of the A4000 and what the press thought, trying to build the AAA chipset and what would be the purpose and which tea is best, etc...

Silly me, that's what I thought this entire forum ('Amiga General Chat,' full of other threads, along with Free For All for your 'best tea' and 'freezing rain'..) was actually for?

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@wegster

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Amiga Inc will *never* produce *anything* 'better than OS X.'

Seriously man...did you need to add anything after the word "anything"?

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Amiga Inc will *never* produce *anything* 'better than OS X.' :-/

But putting Amiga on top of QNX could mean something better than OSX, which is Apple stuff on top of Linux.

There are programmers at Amiga Inc. They have to be doing something.

They did have plans for Amiga OS4 to be on top of QNX, and this would be taking a leaf out of Apple's book, and Apple are the only substantial provider of a commercial OS other than Microsoft from which a leaf can be taken.

Amiga on top of QNX I think would be a good move for the next Amiga OS. Amiga Inc I don't think have that many programmers, so using QNX will enable less work.

This is a positive thought (to me).

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@Al4

The developers of whom you speak are basically 3rd party developers.

If you would like to read some of their remarks directly, I refer you to Otto's posts starting with:

#157

and Floid

and ghauber

and ghauber again

and fleecy and some developers

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@Al4

The QNX proposal was back in the days of (what was the black-and-white cow company called?). Years before Amino even existed. It was going to run Amiga under QNX on x86 and met with outrage from the kommunity. The idea was dropped and Amiga development was halted.

Some time after that, when the cow company had abandoned Amiga development altogether, a group of enthusiasts calling themselves "The Phoenix Development Consortium" also proposed developing hardware using PPC and using QNX as the base OS. Like so many "open source" projects, it started out with a rush of enthusiasm, QSSL was all keen, but then the US "dotcom" problems happened early in 2001 and QSSL pulled out, leaving the project without an OS.

Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss left the cow company and formed Amino, with the aim of using the intent platform-agnostic system, first on x86, but later on any other hardware. QNX was never mentioned again.

Back when QNX was being proposed as an OS, we only had the old 1980s AmigaOS, written in assembler, impossible to maintain and impossible to enhance. Since then, it has been rewritten completely and is now well documented and maintainable. To prove the point, it has been ported to several different hardware platforms.

It is most unlikely that anyone is looking at QNX again. There just isn't anything to be gained by throwing away one OS and adopting another.

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@tonyw

Apparently "OS5" has been worked on since 2004, and Amiga Inc did not and do not have the source-code to OS4.

They're possibly using QNX and putting Amiga stuff on top of it.

Apparently the new OS will work on various computer processors and will be scalable to its host hardware. QNX works on x86, x64, PPC, ARM. I don't know if it's relevant, but QNX is also scalable to its hardware.

Amiga Inc Could be doing just that.

@wegster

I have not posted much in the forum lately as most thread appear to be tied to a specific purpose. Many years ago, I was a member of a BBS that had a running thread where members could just talk about anything -- the topics one would discuss over coffee breaks. Obviously, most of it is tied to the things we love like the Amiga, but still we would divert sometimes. This is what I was trying to do here. Only time will tell if I am correct.

On a lighter note... I just bought the November 1992 issue of Amiga World that talks the new A4000... curious to see how they saw the machine.

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Al4 wrote: @tonyw Apparently "OS5" has been worked on since 2004, and Amiga Inc did not and do not have the source-code to OS4. They're possibly using QNX and putting Amiga stuff on top of it. Apparently the new OS will work on various computer processors and will be scalable to its host hardware. QNX works on x86, x64, PPC, ARM. I don't know if it's relevant, but QNX is also scalable to its hardware. Amiga Inc Could be doing just that.

'Apparently' and AI in the same sentence probably don't belong together.

Now, re-read your paragraph, then google all the fluff statements from AI, and you have: Amiga Anywhere (not 2, but the 'original'), which went...Nowhere. Still only runs on Windows Mobiles, *years* later.

Besides the obvious of OS4 actually *has* some level of backward compatibility, and some software available for it, that such a fictitious OS would conflict with, plus AI's track record of non-delivery, having *no* competent devs, unless Jamie is somehow still there, almost guaranteed incompatibility...
1. What would the point be?
2. Do you *really* think it would resemble *anything* Amiga, as in ANY compatibility, with *anything* we care about?
3. Why would you possibly think that AI can/will/is *able* to deliver *anything*? History speaks for itself, including statements from McSoup about when something will be available, be discussed, all the same - nothing. What reasons do you have, based in fact to believe otherwise?

PS - QNX is sort of cool, just nothing to do with AI.

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@A500
Feel free - it's just odd, as your first post basically said - put anything from Amiga general chat and Free For All into one thread'.

Many threads go *way* off-topic...if it's in FFA, and not a flamewar, not a big deal

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number6 wrote: @wegster Quote: Amiga Inc will *never* produce *anything* 'better than OS X.' Seriously man...did you need to add anything after the word "anything"? #6

Although I'm a little behind with that state of affairs, I'm getting the gist of it.

About nine years ago when Bill and Fleecy took over, originally called "Amino," what they achieved in their first 90 days was OUTSTANDING. They produced a devBox, and struck partnerships with Tao, Eyetech and other respectable Amiga companies. That may not seem like much, but it was still more in 90 days than any previous owners (Escom, Viscorp, Gateway) managed in the preceding 90 months.

After that though, they've obviously regressed. When they first took over, I distictly remember a quote from the soon-deceased Amiga Format, "Bill and Fleecy are acutely aware that one false word, one slipped release date, one slight exaggeration of the truth could the entire Amiga community turning their backs." And yet, release dates have slipped more times than a novice ice-skater with wet bars of soap for skates! "When it's done?"


Well, that was several years ago. I've been a bit behind with the news, but generally I can tell Amiga have got even worse- the court case? the unholy alliance with Microsoft? Think I get it- Amiga want us to reject them so they can sell their souls to MS. All we may get out of them is a windows-compatible* PC with Amiga emulation. Remember the Cerberus?

Man, I hope Hyperion can do better.


*N.B. "Windows compatible," a contradiction-in-terms

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wegster wrote: @A500 Feel free - it's just odd, as your first post basically said - put anything from Amiga general chat and Free For All into one thread'. Many threads go *way* off-topic...if it's in FFA, and not a flamewar, not a big deal

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to go but it still is "Amiga general."

Like I mentioned in the thread about Disney animation studio, it doesn't look like I'll get an up-to-date version of that for SAM and AmigaOS 4x, nor a native version of AnimatED. Not enough animation-enthusiastic Amigans.

However, there ARE still plenty of people who like my Amiga-generated movies inc. MCoC (More bl##dy self-promotion,) so if they want me to continue my work, they'll just have to accept the lousy sound quality.

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@Earthling

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Anyone know why this was?

That's quite simply because you noticed it. And perhaps had a couple or more A500's in your time. I did notice that the A1200 has a nice little "stubby" return key.

And left of Z key can be a long shift or a blank key. I had a blank key, that I programmed with a command that blanked the screen by putting it in ECS mode. Oh the irony.. It was fun watching other people press it.

It wasn't intended to be a joke, "You pressed the blank key!" I hope I said. But was funnyafter a while. Hehe.