Ok. I'm really tired of the BS lately.

Yeah I think we'd be all better off getting behind AROS and concentrate on one system.

Thats not happening for a number of reasons.

And because of that I believe in supporting all flavors. When it comes down to it, all the folks behind each effort are working hard.

Plus, life is damn short. I'd rather feed all these efforts with donations and deserved pats on the back then endlessly complain and make digs at some "other side".

For people who seem to thrive on the BS, I must wonder, when you were a kid did you envision yourself being so petty as an adult? Do you really equate the satisfaction you get from doing so as actual happiness?

Don't we want a friendly atmosphere? Don't we want to get over the sickness of petty BS that has seeped so deeply into this community?

Whats so bad about not saying something if you have nothing nice to say?

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i second you. please lock all these bash threads, im tired too and it is difficult to stay away because of all this bs.

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I agree wholeheartedly with the above.

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I applaud your sentiments but have no faith that they will be accepted by everyone.
There is a core group on this site who seem to live for the hate and bile.

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@fairlanefastback

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Ok. I'm really tired of the BS lately.

Lately? My friend it's been happening for ages.
I agree completely.

Rude!

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Absolutely right, in the end the community is all we have and it is small enough that we all *know* one another and as long as we continue in this community we will continue to know one another. Let's be civil to one another. There's no reason a person can't love Classic OS and Morphos or 4.1 or AROS, or all four. Emulated or dedicated hardware, none of it matters.

This is a hobby for all of us, nobody has to be here. Smug attitudes will simply drive people away, is that what we want?

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@fairlanefastback

I have to agree.
I'm a member of this site, A.org, Morphzone, EAB and (possibly) Amigans.net (can't remember if I got around to setting up an account yet).
Sadly, it appears to happen on all sides of the perceived fences. Generally from a few individuals, but it also escalates because we (as a broader group) tend to rise to the bait and, in doing so, feed the trolls.

Happily, the "perceived" world of the forums does not necessarily reflect the reality of co-operation between developers of the different platforms, and the vast majority of users who are easy-going.

I can understand non-disclosure and non-co-operation between commercial OS developers (eg MOS devteam/OS4 devteam). I can also understand application developers settling on coding for a single OS (rather than learning several slightly different API's). But for application developers/end users to be arguing that a particular OS is "teh best one!11!" (rather than being "their personally preferred one") is fairly sad and ridiculous.

We are a small subset of computer users. Most people in the world would laugh at us as a unified community, let alone as a splintered one. I'd love to see more of a "community of communities" sense pervading between us all.

I personally enjoy trying all the flavours of Amiga-originating OS'es (OS3.x, AROS, OS4.x, MOS, etc). Should I (with OS4.x hat on) start spitefully arguing against myself (with MOS hat on)? Ridiculous....

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I agree fullheartedly with this. I am SO tired of people lashing out and feeling threatened every time another individual doesn't prefer exactly the same hardware/software solution as themselves.
The problem is that many people consider only their own platform being the only "real Amiga" and consider all other development irrelevant for taking the Amiga community forward. It is not.

All Amiga flavours are today very obscure platforms with a few hundred users each globally (maybe a few thousand when it comes to classics and 3.x), and frankly, your petty bickering isn't going to change anything.

Concerning the recent threads: No, people preferring to stay on OS 3.x are not in any way harming the "future development of the Amiga".
OS 3.x getting updated and enhanced is just as valuable for the community as a whole as OS 4 getting updated, if not more since the user base obviously is larger. AfaOS adds AROS enhancements to 3.x, the Natami project will add support for it's chipset enhanchements, etc. AROS just got USB2 support, aiding other platforms in getting the same.

I am happy enough to be able to run all four platforms, and would consider myself completely neutral. I haven't been able to afford upgrading from 4.0 to 4.1 yet but I look forward to doing so.

Oh, how I wish this lame sectarianism would end. Anyone who doesn't realize that these are hobbyist platforms should go see a doctor. Commodore died 15 years ago. We are only here using the Amiga still because it's fun and enjoyable.

Im also for locking the threads. Mostly time i think i will not post... i will not post and then im there posting and getting stressed for nothing ;) Would be better if i just ignored reading.

@fairlanefastback

Have to say I totally agree! I'm interested in all "Amiga" flavours, although I admit to a preference for AmigaOS4.0., I alo use MorphOS, AROS, and various Linux distros. Heck, I even use Windows and Mac OSX and WinUAE.

I reduced the frequency of posting in the past 6 months, mainly because I can't be bothered to reply to some of the obvious trolling threads that has been going on.

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I also agree. I use 3.1 on my A1200 and my new A600. It's fun, it boots up in a few seconds, and WHDLoad lets me play all my old games. I've got a spare PC to fiddle about with AROS on, and I have a G4 Mac mini waiting for MorphOS. I'm considering buying a Sam between now and Christmas.*

I haven't used OS4 or MorphOS yet, but I'm totally open to both.


* (I've also got a huge pile of other hardware, but that's a different thread!)

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Plus, life is damn short. I'd rather feed all these efforts with donations...
No, I bought the A1 for OS4. That's enough for me.
Don't we want to get over the sickness of petty BS that has seeped so deeply into this community?
Communing to what platform? That's why it's not a community any longer.
Whats so bad about not saying something if you have nothing nice to say?
Whom are loyal to? Mos, Amiga, or AROS. Because I don't know, I can't salute you!
Does that register some where?
In other words, I totally disagree with you. I'm not a BSer or petty. I'm narrow of mind in my belief.

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I can't salute you! Does that register some where? In other words, I totally disagree with you.

does "or at least don't bash others" register with you?

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@thread

Okay, now I feel guilty for my two posts in that other thread. haha

Oh well, I'll keep trying to support as many OS's as I can. its tough sometimes. cross compilers breaking, zune/mui3.x/mui4.0 differences, differences in functions between the different OS'es.. I like my system, but everyones got their preferences for different reasons.. so as long as its feasible, its what I gotta do. :)

@fairlanefastback

Even thought some people like to think I'm a blue troll, or an open source advocate I have always tried to support and promote all flavours. I use the 4 of them (MorphOS, AmigaOS3.x, OS4 and AROS in this order) and it's good we have choice. Anyway it's difficult not to click in the reply button if you completely disagree with some claims.

@jahc

four hoorrays for jahc! I wish more developers were as open minded as you are.

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ssolie wrote: @fairlanefastback If you think the web forums are bad, join some of the IRC channels.

I have not been on irc since the 1990s. And only a brief time at that.

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@Crumb

Might not only have to do with open minded,but also the fact that some uses reaction,as myself. Why? Cos its the one used by os4.x. Time comes into the equation. The fact that it can be hard to debug for a system you don't have yourself. Are many factors to this i believe.

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@fairlanefastback

I completely agree. I'm currently favoring NatAmi because I see it as having a better future than the other alternatives (I used to be a believer in PPC but not as much any more, and I think that AmigaOS on x86 will always be defeated by Linux; therefore IMHO a modernised classic, for the retro crowd who wants higher performance than 1980s hardware can provide, is the only logical way forward). But you don't see me flaming OS4 users or going on about USB support, price or any number of perceived flaws. I don't see enough advantage to owning a Sam, so I just didn't buy one; I didn't feel the need to flame those who do think that a Sam440 is a good deal.

When the Friedens announce some breakthrough on one of their OS4 related projects, I congratulate them on a job well done and wish them the best. There are some parts of the design of OS4 that I disagree with, but as a professional software developer I know that engineering is all about tradeoffs, and so there must have been a good reason for them to make the choices they did. I don't tell them they're incompetent just because I might have done things differently.

Whatever happened to "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?"