Hi,

After a few days of break because of having null spare time, I wanted to turn on AROS on my HP 530.

Unfortunately (or is that so?) I only have wifi here. So I am forced to use some AP/Bridge appliance to enable internet on my MorphOS (and do the same for AROS). Despite MorphOS just plugs it in and works, I have serious difficulties in plugging it into AROS, especially when I try to reconfigure AP under Linux, which ain't much better in functioning either.

Anyway while on AROS, many times when I start it and want to go to some url, the Error message appears. Then I switch to Kubuntu 9.10, turn wifi off, go to Admin mode and repick root AP (that's the only way proven working). And then restart AP and back to AROS.

I tried already several times just now and couldn't get connected. I'm done for today but I think I'm done for longer.

I am really happy WiFi bounty is ongoing, still, dunno if e.g. purchased Sam, I'd be able to get connected by wifi. MorphOS will deliver WiFi in 2011-2012 from my perspective and conscientious MorphZone readings.

Anyway I think lack of wifi in Amiga world is a shame indeed, not sure about AOS4 but AROS is coming shortly. Until then, I'm not sure if I want to waste 30 minutes of my life again to enjoy AROS' OWB for a couple of minutes. From MorphOS perspective, fortunately I didn't spend anything extra on its hardware (just the said appliance). But if it turns out that WiFi isn't enabled yet in Sam or upcoming X1000, I too will be holding myself, when decided, until I'm not being forced to be suffocated by additional wires all over my house.

Or maybe I'm messing something improperly about the AROS/Linux case? That can happen, I am a lame Linux user to be honest, just don't like it and I'm fine with that.

Anyway I decided to post this here and not on e.g. AROS forum because i think despite all other arguments (like no compatible word processors stuff) and options, I think WiFi lack (at least in MorphOS/AROS case) is the key thing that keeps Amiga systems fairly undone.

And please don't tell me to buy another dongle, this whole thing reminds me of those PC vs Mac ads when PC guy tells the others to "buy a new printer for vista if the vista doesn't like the current one". Which is actually not just non-Amiga way, it's ANTI-Amiga way.

Sorry for my behaviour but try walking in my shoes for a while.

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@DiskDoctor

Well since no laptop's OS4 or MorphOS as of yet, the demand for Wi-Fi would be low at this point. I use a Wireless bridge on OS4 and MorphOS to get signal into my 2nd bedroom, where I have a desk with a bunch of computers, and it works fine.

I would think Wi-Fi demand will pick up if and when a portable MorphOS or OS4 solution (an official one) is released.

I also had trouble with AROS even with a wired connection, I just can't get it to work...anyway AROS for me is still very much lacking in features, especially as you dig down further into the preferences and little utilities, so for me it remains a curiosity at most.

I hope it continues to progress, but for now I stick with OS 3.9, OS4, and MorphOS and watch AROS mainly from the sidelines.

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@DiskDoctor

If you're using one of those ethernet to wi-fi bridges, it's probable that your wired network card isn't properly handled by AROS (or not handled at all). This would easily explain why your network isn't working. The other option is that you have wrongly set up your AROS network preferences, while the third might be due to conflicts with other machines. A similar case has been discussed on aros-exec some time ago (wire to wireless adapter not working on AROS), and the problem was related to another XP machine connected to the network, which interferred with transmissions.

Using a prism2 card here, and it works like a charm..

@DiskDoctor

I have a wifi bridge with my iMica running Aros plugged in throuh the ethernet connection.

Sorry yours is not working, but when Aros has wifi which will not be long then you can enjoy it too over the miracle of WIFI.

@hammerD

On the subject of apps, they are coming thick and fast and Whilst I have my Classic Amiga's I will not be bothering with OS4 and MorphOS, even though they are competant OS's, unfortunately they lack enough apps for my liking, so I have Aros for most apps, AmiBridge for my classic Amiga apps, which there are a lot and Windows for everything else.

Aros is my true second computer and the best Amiga I have ever owned or have played with, and it is getting better very fast.

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On the subject of apps, they are coming thick and fast

I hope so.

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I will not be bothering with OS4 and MorphOS, even though they are competant OS's, unfortunately they lack enough apps for my liking, so I have Aros for most apps,

Application Type  |AmigaOS3(68k)        |AmigaOS4(PPC)         |MorphOS(PPC)         |AROS(x86)              |
------------------+---------------------+----------------------+---------------------+-----------------------+
Word-processing   |AmigaWriter,WordWorth|AbiWord,CinnamonWriter|Papyrus Office       |CinnamonWriter         |
                  |FinalWriter          |                      |                     |                       |
Spreadsheets      |Turbocalc,Ignition?  |Gnumeric              |Papyrus Office       |Ignition               |
                  |StarAmPlan,FinalCalc |                      |                     |                       |
Presentations     |Hollywood*,MediaPoint|Hollywood*,PointRider |Hollywood*,PointRider|Hollywood*             |
                  |PointRider,Scala     |                      |                     |                       |
Browsing          |IBrowse,Voyager,AWeb |OWB,AWeb,             |OWB                  |OWB                    |
                  |Netsurf              |Netsurf               |AWeb,Sputnik         |                       |
                  |                     |                      |                     |                       |
E-mailing         |SimpleMail,YAM       |SimpleMail,YAM,       |SimpleMail,YAM       |SimpleMail,YAM         |
                  |                     |Sylpheed,Claws        |                     |                       |
Instant Messaging |CLIMM,SabreMSN       |Epistula,Pidgin,      |PolyglotNG,SabreMSN  |SabreMSN               |
                  |                     |SabreMSN              |                     |                       |
Databases         |MUIbase,Datastore    |MUIBase               |MUIBase              |SDB,MUIBase            |
                  |FinalData,AmigaBase  |                      |                     |                       |
Text Editing      |NoWinED,Annotate,    |NoWinED,Notepad,      |MorphOS ED,NoWinED   |NoWinEd,Aros Editor,   |
                  |GoldED/CubicIDE*,    |Annotate,CygnusED*    |GoldED/CubicIDE*,    |Anotate,Vim            |
                  |CygnusED*,Turbotext  |                      |CygnusED*,Annotate   |                       |
C/C++ IDE         |Cubic IDE*           |CodeBench             |Cubic IDE*           |Murks                  |
Painting or       |TVPaint,PPaint,      |GIMP,GrafX2,          |Sketch,Pixel*,GrafX2 |LunaPaint,GrafX2,      |
Image Manipulation|GrafX2,ImageFX*      |Image Magick          |LunaPaint            |UberPaint 4p,          |
                  |XiPaint,fxPaint,     |                      |                     |Shotofop               |
                  |ImageMasterRT,       |                      |                     |                       |
                  |ArtEffect,DeluxePaint|                      |                     |                       |
Printing          |TurboPrint*          |(Native drivers)      |TurboPrint*          |?                      |
3D Rendering      |CINEMA 4D,POV-Ray,   |Blender,POV-Ray,Yafray|Blender,POV-Ray,     |POV-Ray                |
                  |Lightwave3D,         |                      |Yafray               |                       |
                  |Real3D,Caligari24,   |                      |                     |                       |
                  |Reflections/Monzoom  |                      |                     |                       |
File Management   |DOpus,Magellan,      |DOpus,Filer,AmiDisk   |DOpus                |DOpus                  |
                  |ClassAction,         |DiskMaster            |                     |                       |
                  |File Master          |                      |                     |                       |
Playing Audio     |AmiNetRadio,AmigaAmp |TuneNet,SimplePlay,   |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer  |Mplayer,ArosAMP        |
                  |playOGG              |AmigaAmp,TKPlayer     |Kaya,AmigaAmp        |                       |
Playing Video     |Frogger,AMP2,MPlayer,|DvPlayer,MPlayer      |MPlayer,Frogger,AMP2,|Mplayer                |
                  |RiVA,MooViD          |CDXLPlay,Swfplayer    |VLC                  |                       |
Streaming Audio   |AmiNetRadio          |TuneNet               |AmiNetRadio,Mplayer  |Mplayer                |
Streaming Video   |?                    |Mplayer,Gnash,Tubexx  |Mplayer,OWB,Tubexx   |Mplayer                |
Youtube           |getVideo             |getVideo,Tubexx       |OWB,getVideo,Tubexx  |?                      |
Playing DVD       |AMP2,Frogger         |DvPlayer,AMP2         |Mplayer              |Mplayer                |
Editing Audio     |Samplitude,HD-Rec    |HD-Rec,AmiSoundED     |HD-Rec               |?                      |
                  |sfx,samplemanager    |Audio Evolution 4     |                     |                       |
Editing Video     |Mainactor Broadcast  |FFMpeg/GUI            |Blender,Mencoder     |?                      |
                  |                     |                      |FFmpeg               |                       |
Music Edit Tracker|Digibooster,         |Milkytracker,         |Milkytracker,        |Milkytracker,ProTrekkr,|
                  |HivelyTracker,       |HivelyTracker         |HivelyTracker,       |HivelyTracker          |
                  |Octamed              |                      |GoatTracker          |                       |
Music Edit Other  |Bars'n'Pipes,MusicX  |HD-Rec,Rockbeat,      |Bars'n'Pipes,HD-Rec  |?                      |
(Midi or Audio)   |Deluxe Music,Horny   |Bars'n'Pipes,Horny,   |                     |                       |
                  |HD-Rec               |Audio Evolution 4,    |                     |                       |
                  |                     |HD-Rec                |                     |                       |
Sound Sampling    |Samplitude           |HD-Rec                |HD-Rec               |?                      |
CD/DVD burn/rip   |FryingPan,MakeCD     |FryingPan,AmiDVD      |FryingPan            |FryingPan              |
Torrents          |?                    |CTorrent,Transmission |MLDonkey,Beehive,    |?                      |
                  |                     |                      |Transmission         |                       |
PDF Viewing       |APDF                 |AmiPDF                |APDF                 |ArosPDF                |
DTP               |Pagestream*,         |Pagestream*           |Pagestream*          |?                      |
                  |Professional Page    |                      |                     |                       |
FTP               |AmFTP,AmiTradeCenter |Pftp,AmiFTP           |                     |MarranoFTP             |
IRC               |Wookiechat,AmIRC     |Wookiechat            |Wookiechat,AmIRC     |Wookiechat,AiRcOS      |
Image viewing     |PicShow,PicView      |WarpView,PicShow,     |ShowGirls            |LookHere,LoView        |
                  |Photoalbum           |flPhoto,Thumbs        |                     |                       |
Photo retouching  |?                    |WarpView,flPhoto      |ShowGirls            |?                      |
                  |                     |                      |                     |                       |
Scanning          |FxScan*,ScanQuix*    |SCANdal,Sane          |SCANdal              |?                      |
                  |SCANdal              |                      |                     |                       |
Animation         |PPaint,AnimatED      |?                     |Titler               |?                      |
Remote Desktop    |AmiVNC,TwinVNC       |amivnc,RDesktop       |MorphVNC,twinvnc,    |                       |
                  |RDesktop             |TwinVNC               |vncserver,RDesktop   |                       |
Drawing           |Drawstudio,ProVector,|MindSpace             |SteamDraw            |?                      |
                  |ArtExpression,AmiFIG |                      |                     |                       |
                  |MetaView,            |                      |                     |                       |
                  |Professional Draw    |                      |                     |                       |
CAD               |XCad,Cycas           |?                     |?                    |?                      |
Mathematics       |Maple V,mathX        |Yacas                 |Yacas                |mathX                  |
                  |                     |                      |                     |                       |
Emulation         |Shapeshifter,        |Basilisk 2,Frodo      |Basilisk 2, Mame     |UAE, FPE               |
                  |UAE,Frodo,Vice,      |UAE,DosBOX,           |UAE, DosBox          |                       |
                  |Fusion,FPE (WarpUP)  |Hatari, Vice, FPE     |Hatari, Vice, Frodo  |                       |
                  |                     |Oricutron             |Oricutron,FPE        |                       |
GamesSystems      |                     |ScumVM                |ScumVM               |                       |

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Way to cut out part of his sentence to try to disprove a statement that he didn't even try to make

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Some ppl just wont get that Aros is also in the game & its here -> you can not avoid or hide & only real way to run amiga on laptops & i`m sure aros will boot in todays most powerfull HW and another way of saying is AROS is real & getting there soon or later.

i my self got a1200hd Tower.......my 68k amiga but i use 68k amiga via WINUAE coz its Faster
than my a1200hd Tower 060 & everything works without any problem for me.

I like Aros because i like x86 hw and dont like ppc hw.

I like Aros i get my amiga felling from there(like amiga style coding)

I like Aros coz i can take my laptop with me.

i can use aros & x86 desktop & make money.. (coz hw so cheap & i write my own apps)

i can go on & on


OS4 looks great but i will not buy slow ppc hw to run os4. (i do POS systems )i dont think company i am working for will buy sam ppc hw for ££££ & try to make money out of it.
but
x1000 specs looks good & if the price is right than i might buy one for my hobby usage.


morphos has something that i love to see on aros or os4 is mui4 but and again on aros zune also nice but its not mui4.

Let me clear one thing is that i dont hate OS4/MOS because i use AROS but i do say i dont like the ppc hw because its slow & expensive for me & ppc hw does not cover my usage area.


please do not come with a list with some apps we got more or this or that its just dont mean anything to me if there no pro usage.


my own comments about AROS/MOS/OS4 and they all real much as you believe them to be and i believe AROS is my real amiga in my acer aspire one.

thank you...and stop the bad comments about the each others os`es just use dont abuse.

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the list is totaly wrong.
AROS have with the UAE 68k integration support to all 68k apps.also UAE is more compatible
winuae support postscript printing, so when AROS can print, UAE can print into ghostscript, when in the UAE AROS Port is the ghostscript code add

@bernd_afa

The list where meant to list only native applications, MorphOS4 and AmigaOS4 runs most stuff listed under 68k as well.

if there is anything that needs to added or removed to AROS, MorphOS or AmigaOS4 please let me know and I update the list.

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sure, you can update the morphos part with all the emulators in the os4 part + mame, oricutron, amiarcadia, scummvm

and you got vice twice in the os4 list.

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@bernd_afa

Following your argument, I could also say Windows+WinUAE is more compatible than AROS, MorphOS, AmigaOS4 or even a plain Amiga running 3.x, actually. :)

Doesn't it look a bit weird then? :)

@NutsAboutAmiga

>The list where meant to list only native applications, MorphOS4 and AmigaOS4 runs >most stuff listed under 68k as well.

I see in the List hd-rec and ibrowse.

at least hd-rec,tkplayer is 68k. but i look only short on it.i guess when take a closer look find more Software that is only able to run on OS4/MOS because of 68k emu.

from ibrowse i am not 100% sure, but i think its a 68k program

golded/cubicide is too 68k.

>Following your argument, I could also say Windows+WinUAE is more compatible >than AROS, MorphOS, AmigaOS4 or even a plain Amiga running 3.x, actually. :)

yes thats right, and thats the reason because many use Virtual machines.
And here a Mac is better as a windows Box

because you can run all Programs out of Mac World and windows world nicely together.

its even more compatible when you run too a Linux Box or use co Linux

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Image FX for OS4 is too no PPC Program.YOu can download it from OS4 depot and you can run it on Janus UAE in AROS.

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@nutsaboutamiga

Let me clarify before I am inteprated as an OS4 or Morphos hater.

I need Windows for my living, it has all of the main software for my working life something that none of the Amiga flavours can have, VS2008, MSSQL, office etc.

But for fun I like to use an Amiga environment and being a Classic Amiga fan I want to use the software library that is there that does run under Aros very well and very fast.

Aros has OWB and all the network tools I need and it is very fast on my system. I also now have built in hardware 3d via gallium running on NVidia 5,6 and 7 series cards and this has great potential for when we get Blender

So I have full internet access, chat programs, TONS of games, many linux ports and the full back catalogue of 68k software running faster than any Amiga I have ever owned or seen before.

So I am not saying OS4 or MorphOS are not competant just that I have what I want in a 3ghz super fast ITX system with very high speed graphics and all with that amazing Amiga interface and usability, and all it cost new was £250.

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Add FPSE emulator ad AmiGG IM for all amiga systems

@nutsaboutamiga

Oh, and thanks for doing the list, may I reproduce it on my Amiga 25th Anniversary Site.

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AROS have with the UAE 68k integration support to all 68k apps.

Nice joke...

In OS4 the only difference between native and emulated apps is speed. User experience is the same: 68k applications can even use OS4 libraries (eg. AmigaAMP etc.) and OS4 applications 68k libraries. With WarpOSEmu you can also use eg. fxPaint or WildFire (some parts are PowerPC native through WarpOS).

@pavlor

All very impressive from a technical standpoint and my hats off to the developers, truly.

But I do not care, in Aros I open up TVPaint in one window, Lightwave in another, Final Writer in another and so on. The experience is just as good except that any hardware banging code goes unnoticed and just carries on. Plus I am running Lightwave on a 3ghz machine so render time are very nice thanks

edit: And SCALA, Brilliance, DPaint, etc etc.

The only problem with Janus at the moment is the lack of the Network passthru and that the latest Janus does not have audio yet. However, all will arrive eventually but in the meantime I am still really happy.

As I said Aros is my choice for giving me all that I could want from an Amiga system and I ever imagined many years ago when I tried to create an x86 Amiga with Gateway. I am glad you like OS4, it is impressive and when the X1000 comes out I will check it out very seriously. But for now, Aros is my (personal opinion) best Amiga ever.

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