Hi, I own a Sam440ep flex with of course AmigaOS4.1 which I enjoy but I do have my frustrations with it, and have since been considering taking the plunge and purchasing either a Macmini or eMac to use MorphOS.

My reasoning behind this is varied, but the biggest draw card is the more complete web surfing experience that can be enjoyed by way of MUI OWB, with a albeit not complete but none the less functional Flash plugin.

My purpose for this thread is not to start a troll or flame war but to question those lucky users who own either a Pegasos 2 or multiple machines enabling that user to run and own both Morphos and AmigaOS 4.x a couple of questions as follows.

Q1. Out of the two operating systems which one do you find yourself using the most?

Q2. What is it about the Operating system that you use most that makes you use it
more than the other?
Q3. I believe it is possible to use one more and like the other more. So I guess the
question I am asking is which operating system do you like the most and why?

Q4. I use a Hotmail account for my email which can't be viewed properly via
Timberwolf, Ibrowse, Netsurf, Aweb or OWB for AmigaOS 4.x. I was wondering
does OWB with flash plugin make this possible on MorphOS?

Thank you all for your time it will be a big help to my understanding of both operating systems that cant be otherwise gained through websites and Youtube.

Cheers

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@Fairdinkem

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Fairdinkem wrote: Q4. I use a Hotmail account for my email which can't be viewed properly via Timberwolf, Ibrowse, Netsurf, Aweb or OWB for AmigaOS 4.x. I was wondering does OWB with flash plugin make this possible on MorphOS?

Have you tried accessing your Hotmail account using an email client such as Yam? Last year Hotmail has finally added proper POP3 support, so any email client can be used to get and send emails on Hotmail accounts.

Varthall

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@Fairdinkem

Here is a response from one that uses neither.

A1 None of them.
A2 They are both worthless.
A3 I like none of them because they can not cooperate, and instead compete.
A4 Using a more current OS such as Windows, OSX or Linux.

@1970

Bad day?

@1970

That was very informative and constructive response.

Wajdy

@Fairdinkem

I can't speak of MOS as I haven't used it, but I doubt you'll be able to get unbiased opinions from anyone using both MOS and OS4.

My guess is neither OS is significantly better than the other or one would clearly prevail.

As I only use OS4, my biased advice is that you get a Peg2, so that if after trying MOS if you end up prefering OS4 you'll still have the option to install it on that nice board.

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@Fairdinkem
The answer is that you need to wait for any AOS flavor to be fully functional.

Mos can play videos on the web for certain sites and formats, but it doesn't have a flash plug in (ie no Flash web software) actually it is AOS to have a flash handler available:

http://www.amigasoft.net/pages/gnash/screenshots.asp

As for videos, the video download plug in for Firefox (already works in Timberwolf) allows you to download videos from the widest range of websites of any Amiga-like OS (even those you would have to switch on a PC otherwise).

I'm not proclaiming any superiority here, just reminding you that this is a time full of new developments on all flavors and it will be interesting to stick around and see what we get (again on any flavor) in the next 12/18 months....

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@1970

I had no idea 1970 was such a bad year.

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At least the HTML5 support works with OWB/MOS, so it is possible to use Youtube on a much more normal way than first downloading the clips. OWB/MOS is faster than OWB/AOS4, and there is a real downloadmanager available.
Booting MorphOS is significant faster on my Pegasos II than AmigaOS 4.1.2.
Running old Amiga 68k applications seems to be more compatible on MorphOS than on AmigaOS, some programs work with MorphOS which will crash on AmigaOS 4.1.2. But I did not tried enough old software to proof that theory. The advantages of AmigaOS 4.1.2 are the look and feel, which is much more "amiga-ish", and there seems to be more modern software for AmigaOS 4.x. One very big advantage of OS 4 is for example AmiCygnix which makes much interesting software available to us. Other very positive developements are Timberwolf and Ooo for Kids. As I run both on A Pegasos II, the fastest current available hardware, AmigaOS 4 has the advantage of newly developed hardware. Even if the coming Powermac G5 version of MorphOS will be possibly faster than the Amiga One X1000 (I'm not so sure, as MorphOS has no multicore-support), using an old Pegasos, Efika or Macintosh it's still "scrapheap challenge", keeping old hardware alive. That's what's disturbing me most with "classic-Amiga", well, that it is old and you never know if it will still boot up the next time you switch it on. I want a new OS on new hardware.

So currently MorphOS seems to be the better OS, but for the future I see more chances for AmigaOS. (And maybe Aros will be the laughing third in the future, as they have absolutely no problems with available hardware...) And yes, I like both and I've paid and registered both.

@Fairdinkem

I have one peg2 with both OS4.x & Mos2.x installed (& registered)

Mos has some nice features and OS4 has it too but i'm mostly a normal user nowdays and doesn't do much with my computers other than surfing & listen to music so neighter of them are anything i can/want to use for my daily computer usage since they both suck at that.

But some days i feel like the old geek i used to be and want's to do something else than surfing etc. thats when i bootup my Peg2 and since i'm only interested in Amiga i have it setup to autoboot OS4 and that's what i mostly use.

@DAX

"Mos can play videos on the web for certain sites and formats, but it doesn't have a flash plug in (ie no Flash web software) actually it is AOS to have a flash handler available:"

This I believe to be incorrect as I know that "FAB" made a flash plugin for OWB on Morphos using SWF player much like the plugin ability of Ibrowse on classic amigas.

Cheers.

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@smf

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Mos has some nice features and OS4 has it too but i'm mostly a normal user nowdays and doesn't do much with my computers other than surfing & listen to music so neighter of them are anything i can/want to use for my daily computer usage since they both suck at that.

Really? I've been mostly using my MorphOS box for surfing and music/movies lately, and the only thing I miss is the BBC iPlayer.

What's missing for you?

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@Fairdinkem

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This I believe to be incorrect as I know that "FAB" made a flash plugin for OWB on Morphos using SWF player much like the plugin ability of Ibrowse on classic amigas.

It's a bit slow, but it's promising. Doesn't seem to work with the iPlayer. HTML5 and Tubexx work a treat for Youtube videos though.

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@smf

I appreciate your input, I think it is a given that most Amiga users these days with the exceptions of course, use either Windows, Linux or Mac as a daily use because as Operating systems go they are more complete and the standard.

But my question is asking out of Morphos or AmigaOS which one do you use more and why and of the two which one do you like most and why?

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@Gleng

"It's a bit slow, but it's promising. Doesn't seem to work with the iPlayer. HTML5 and Tubexx work a treat for Youtube videos though."

What is Tubexx?

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@Fairdinkem
There is a Flash plugin for MorphOS OWB, but don't hold your breath, it's neither fast, nor complete, just like the original SWFDec code it is based on. However, OWB itself on MorphOS is currently far more capable than the OS4 counterpart or even Timberwolf, especially when it comes to UI features and multimedia (eg. HTML5 video) support. So you can fully enjoy YouTube in the browser, while you can't do this on OS4, ATM.

Though about Hotmail, i don't know. But someone here might be kind enough to try it for you with his account. :)

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@Fairdinkem
As we wait for fab to enlighten us, I can tell you that when I visited Pianeta Amiga 2009 last september, afxGroup showed to me a ton of flash games (we played on his G4 A1) aside from you tube videos, however all I saw on MOS (Guruman's place) was video playback.
So I assumed they don't have anything to handle flash games, but I might be wrong, as i said let's wait for Fab....

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@Fairdinkem
Tubexx is a YouTube client, written in REXX. I think it works both on AmigaOS4 and MorphOS. There's also another REXX script collection called getvideo, which provides some loose browser integration with MPlayer, so you can open a YouTube video (otherwise invisible inside the browser) in MPlayer with one click. I think it also works on both systems and various browsers.

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"When a bridge is not enough, build a Viaduct!"
"Strip the Amiga community of speculation and we can fit every forum on a 720k floppy" (by resle)

@Fairdinkem

Tubexx is a Youtube search/view/download app for MorphOS, but I think it works on OS4 with tweaks too.

Edit: beaten!

Last edited by Gleng on 27-Jul-2010 at 10:35 AM.

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@Fairdinkem
Since there is some more infos on the table (as chain-q informed us it's sfwDec we're talking about) all I can add is that sfwDec is a dead-end. It's discontinued (no-one is working on it at the moment) while Gnash is alive and kicking (main features for version 8/9/ and 10 are being added as we speak).

As for the get-video Rexx stuff we of course have clip-down on AOS4 but the video download plug in for FF is mind boggling in comparison, it downloads videos from the weirdest sources 8contrary to other solutions).

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