During this last week and still in this new week, the post in this forums, could not be more demoralizing and defeatist with the new situation the Amiga, when it could be other opportunity to recover old Amiga users and get new, with the future Commodore Amiga with AROS, but I think that the most importantly is continue with our Amiga hobby, programming, design, etc., and we will wait the new Sam board and the X1000, without so negative messages, giving the impression that the Amiga arrives to its end, I think continue with Amiga with PPC and with OS 4.x and programming in my free time, and never drop the arms as suggested by many post during these two weeks.

Now we have demonstrate that we are faithful to a hobby, and this hobby is the Amiga, as in other cases could be fishing, scale models pating, etc.

The Amiga even isn't a platform for making money, is a system to making friends and much more, a demostration that the hobby is above money.

I said, after the people can sticks me for these words of wisdom and good sense.

@Templario

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The Amiga even isn't a platform for making money, is a system to making friends and much more, a demostration that the hobby is above money. I said, after the people can sticks me for these words of wisdom and good sense.

Great friends can you get here... If you even mention a possible x86 Amiga you
get abuse reports and will be flammed till death... The original Amiga community
from the good old demo scene times , exists no more... That`˙s it and that˙s all!

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@eXec

But that's because people get older, with family, sons, etc., and we think that the computers is a hobby as other with up-and-down.

@eXec

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If you even mention a possible x86 Amiga you get abuse reports and will be flammed till death.

No you won't. The sensible Amigans are still here you know.

You have that now - and have had that for some time with AROS. Then you have UAE. Whilst there are no plans to put the official OS on x86 there are options and that is that.

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The original Amiga community from the good old demo scene times , exists no more

Well the Amiga isn't cutting edge like it was but it still winning scene competitions: http://awards.scene.org/nominees.php

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@eXec

The abuse argument...

I think no-one in their right mind would object to x86 Amiga IF the operating system that was actually being mentioned was actually the official one and not so some decades old/insert your negative word here Amiga-clone.

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I think no-one in their right mind would object to x86 Amiga IF the operating system that was actually being mentioned was actually the official one

The Amiga on x86 has been done to death. No matter what your views it won't happen.

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@djrikki

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I think no-one in their right mind would object to x86 Amiga IF the operating system that was actually being mentioned was actually the official one...

This is the exact point a number of us have been trying to make. If it's not running the official Amiga OS it's not an Amiga, regardless of architecture. 68k can be Amiga, PPC can be Amiga, x86 *could* be Amiga if the OS was ported (which it won't be).

I don't understand how this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

@-Sam-

Never said whether it will or won't happen or not. :)

@TCMSLP

I think I will PM you my reply instead.

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@eXec

+1


So the demo screene is dead cause people got old.
That is a wired statement. Does it not grow up new people in this world ?
The problem is that they don't know or want to know about Amiga the way it is today.
It is not much to demonstrate with Amiga today.
I rem.. I watched from the Amiga 25th show when a lady interviewed a amiga fanatic. She asked what was special about it etc. he and absolutly no answer to that.

I want Amiga to be popular again. Not only this hobby OS crap. What exactly is that. I don't like the words hobby OS.
It is like hobby house :P

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@nikosidis

+1

amigaos can be an hobbyos BUT amigaos should not be an hobbyos.
25-20 years ago i argued and discussed even with my teachers (computer science school) if they called amiga a game machine.
I talked them about a cheap machine capable of parallel elaboration with its custom chips, multitasking and all those thing everyone of you loved and today love!
We used turbo pascal to write programs. I used it under ibm emulation on my a500 and if someone didn't believe me i invited him at home to see what an amiga was capable of doing.
All of you surely have done this! Was it an hobby? No, and you know this. If this had been an hobby we should not be here now.
If amiga weren't an hobby os, believe me, our user base will be larger than you believe!!

My wife isn't a computer expert but for work she uses ubuntu, osx and windows. She dislikes every of them.
This year i bought an asus eeepc.
I natively installed aros on it.
She had my eeepc for about 30 minutes.
She felt in love with it.
At the end she asked me: tell me why we still don't use this at home and not this "very easy and wonderful thing".
I replied to her: the main reason is because there are no printer drivers (she's a lawyer and needs printing).
And believe me, she didn't know amiga, she didn't know anything about amiga.
Nowadays when i talk her about computer stuff she asks me: are ready those printer drivers?
If someone of you still believe amiga MUST be an hobby, he knows he's cheating himself.


EDIT:
Would you like to double the user base?
Invite a pc or mac friend at home and let them see your aros, morphos, aos box in action.
Believe me it'll be hard to cut off him from your machine

EDIT2:
X1000, sam are good machines. But i'm in anger (i dunno if it's the right term or it's too strong) with hyperion guys. TODAY If you make pay an os you have at least to have a flash player for internet browsing, fully optimized 3d graphics driver and support for java.
The day i see these three things i'll buy a sam, x1000 or so on.

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@rebraist

Good story :D

I have a feeling your wife would like to have both this and that if she started to use AROS as her main OS. There is still things to be added and fixed.

The point is that we are getting there. Lets stop thinking hobby and start joining all exerienced Amiga or amiga like users to one united goal.

We want a killer OS, cause we know it is possible.

This goal must be based on AROS. With AROS it would be no problem doing both x86 and ppc for people wanting to use their existing hardware.

It also must be open source so all developers and users can be involved in the project, both from within amigaworld and from outside.

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@nikosidis

you won't believe me but i restarted coding after 10 years and i'm developing (what a great word) an rtf wp app to let her write her texts under aros... In a year or two it'd be ready....
so when i'll finish it surely printer drivers will be ready.
And i'm enjoying it...

@eXec

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If you even mention a possible x86 Amiga you get abuse reports and will be flammed till death... The original Amiga community from the good old demo scene times , exists no more...

That's true but if you think it's bad to mention x86 today, you probably forgot how the Amiga scene was in the 80's.

The AtariST first and then the PeeCee were the ultimate enemies. x86 was a despicable, inferior architecture, anyone using it was a complete retard. Bill Gates, obviously, was Lucifer in human form.

Man, those were the days...

@Templario

Hobby to some, passion to others, religion to some, all of it and/or something completely different yet to others...

To me it's a tool, a source of income, and a toy. It's my favorite platform for many reasons which most of us here have in common.

Tool because I use it to do everything I need which requires a computer (except playing GTA San Andreas)

Source of income because of all the work I get done and paid for with it.

Toy because it's a source of fun too, not from gaming in particular, but from coding stuff, trying other people's new apps, creating art, and even fine-tuning every little details of the OS and GUI.

In the end it doesn't matter what the Amiga is to anyone else than yourself, enjoy what you have, what you do, e.g. with Hollywood, and don't worry about negativity on the forums as there's no point in taking other people's distorted and biased perception too seriously.

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If it's not running the official Amiga OS it's not an Amiga

And where are such official records maintained, at the Office of Registered Operating Systems?

Hyperion own the rights for the use and redistribution of the AmigaOS brand for the purposes of marketing AmigaOS 4.
To use a term many of you seem to be fond of, AmigaOS 4 is not an "official" OS of Amiga, at most it is a Sam 4x0 compatible OS and the preferred OS of the upcoming A-Eon AmigaOne.

Without a PPC expansion board made by the now defunct phase 5, there is no Amiga computer made or will be made that has AmigaOS 4 as the "official" OS.

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Lets stop thinking hobby and start joining all exerienced Amiga or amiga like users to one united goal.

Which will be the one and only, the greatest, the real original AmigaOS itself.

Amiga has always been a hobby to me. I've never used it as entrepreneur for anything. But some others have used it to make money so Amiga hasn't been a hobby to them. (So it can be both hobby and non-hobby at the same time.)

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@Templario

At first I was thinking that CommodoreUSA thing will confuse outsiders and split the "community" even further causing only more damage than anything good. But after thinking it few days I decided to continue supporting "our" beloved platform.

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x86 was a despicable, inferior architecture, anyone using it was a complete retard. Bill Gates, obviously, was Lucifer in human form

What do you mean, "was"?

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There, that is something most people will agree on here at AW.

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Oh, I think there will be a kind of "splitting", because there are actually some members of the "AmigaOS (4)-community" who felt uncomfortable or whatever with the current situation* - some of them will go away (or already did).

*current situation (in my eyes):

The best situation we ever had in the past years regarding AmigaOS - I were a "late adopter" who jumped on after the SAM440ep/AmigaOS4.1-announcement. I can buy two different 440ep-SAM's, nice PegasosII machines, used AmigaOne's (if someone dare's to ), there's a SAM460ex and the X1000 at the horizon. I think some people very fast forgot about the positive developements we had/have regarding OS4.x.

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