Hey guys now that there are some nice OS4 hardware boards out there in use does anyone have a Peg2 vs latest SAM 460 benchmarks? Running latest OS4 of course (update 2 ) These would be interesting results...

I'm also looking forward to benchmarks and results for ClassicAmiga ppc vs Sam, A1, and peg2 :)

@realize

I am in big interest as well. I have peg2 with all the latest stuff, so i can post all the info. But we also need someone, who have sam460 (lite or not lite, does not matter), with radeon9250 (to have opengl support as well) + sound card (just to be sure that all works as on peg2).

So then we can do normal , 1:1 tests. Back in times i ask some guys to do some tests on sam460 with radeonhd cards, but those tests was just plain "plz download that and run it", and speed (visually) was 1:1 the same.

Also i remember we do some SDL benchmarks, and on radeonHD benchmarks was a bit worse. Hanz explain why, but i do not remember why for now.

I.e. better to compare sam460 with radeon9250 in it. So we will see just real difference in all the real-life tests.

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@kas1e

Ah cool :)

I have a Radeon 9000 pro II in my peg2, I eventually will have os4 running on it is this board supported by OpenGl? Compositing and 3d should work right?

It works extremely well with morphos which is why I have it. Also nice 128bit on ppc linux helps too :)

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I have a Radeon 9000 pro II in my peg2, I eventually will have os4 running on it is this board supported by OpenGl? Compositing and 3d should work right?

As i know, radeon9000 even faster in some areas that radeon9250 :) Dunno about compostingin and stuff (should works), but what i remember, its that Crisot do some tests few months ago, and he was in surprise that radeon9000 works faster there and there and give more fps there and there than radeon9250.

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@kas1e

Yeah its interesting. Same with Morphos Radeon 9k better than 9250 for sure. I even have a rare Radeon 9000 Pro II! Which should be one of the fastest R200 boards for os4?

@realize kas1e
The Radeon9000 recently proved about 25% faster than the 9250 on a SamFlex as well, due to its 128-Bit video ram (VS 64-Bit on the 9250).
Other factors would be the video ram and GPU clock speeds.

m3x has been working on a Sam optimized version of Quake3 and he achieved 26FPS using a Sam440ep-Flex 800Mhz + Radeon9000, in the same test another user (Tuxedo) reported 31 FPS on a Pegasos II (with same video card if I recall correctly) and that's with one (the PegII) using MiniGL compiled for Altivec while the other had no altivec support.
It would seem to me that a 460EX featuring a Radeon4830 (a card Hans suggests to be a good choice) should do way better than the above (when 3D will be supported that is :D).
The 4830 features a 600Mhz 640 shader units GPU + 900Mhz DDR3 video ram.

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31 fps its still suck. Better than nothing of course, but , on my peg2, on morphos, with all the same HW, i have quake3 working on 50% faster. I.e. on amigaos4 25 fps, on morphos 2.5 = 47-48 fps or kind. I mean there is something somethere which slow the thinks a lot. And it even can be not warp3d (but i hope is it).

Anyway, back to main topic, will be cool to have any sam460 owner with radeond9250 in it. I really wish to see some tests of the same HW, just to make a decission to buy, or not to buy lite version of sam460.

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48 fps its still sucks. Must be 500 fps or not playable

EDIT: Since some people apparently did not realise that I was exaggerating to make a point, I change it from 100 to 500 fps.

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@kas1e
As I said the test reported 31Fps on PegII+OS4. 47Fps on the same machine with Mos (which by the way, it's not a 50% difference, it's less than that).
However if you consider that a "lowly" 440ep 800 without any altivec can reach 26Fps with a little optimization, it is quite clear that a Radeon4830 equipped 460EX will wipe the floor with both the Flex and PegII in those tests and my guess is that the high clock speeds (600/700Mhz GPU, Antique has a 900Mhz one on his 460EX!) coupled with PCI-E banwidth will make quite a difference even compared to MOS results.
Time will tell of course...

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48 fps its still sucks. Must be 100 fps or not playable

Must be just without droping frames. Because when its 31 , it mean that in the "mess" it will give you 15, which, are far from 48 or even 24. In case with 48, chances that whole round will plays fine without jerks - high.

But anyway, we all know that mos opengl better for now, not the main topic :)

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However if you consider that a "lowly" 440ep 800 without any altivec can reach 26Fps with a little optimization, it is quite clear that a Radeon4830 equipped 460EX will wipe the floor with both the Flex and PegII in those tests and my guess is that the high clock speeds (600/700Mhz GPU, Antique has a 900Mhz one on his 460EX!) coupled with PCI-E banwidth will make quite a difference even compared to MOS results. Time will tell of course...

Let's see. But from all 2d tests, i can say its all the same as on my peg2. I.e. all that PCI-E and newer radeons, visually make no differences on the plain SDL apps (i not tests many, but from those which i tests , its all 1:1).

So, i not expect uber-good speed for first galium3d release, but i expect it will be somehow better than minig+warp3d (+ full opengl of course).

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As i know, radeon9000 even faster in some areas that radeon9250 :)

I think it's faster in practically everything. 9250 is pretty much the slowest of supported 9XXX series cards (even slower than 9200)
8500, 9000 and 9100 are all faster. But of course, there isn't that much software tha would clearly benefit from faster GPU.

also remember that there are SE (Slow / Sucky Edition) of many cards and non-SE of slower can be faster than SE of "better" model.

Can you get equivalent 9250s or 9000s for the two machines? Since the Sam460 is PCI-e and everything else is AGP, you can't use the same card in two test machines.

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@kas1e
those first test (SDL/video bus) were based on very early beyond alpha drivers. For example we know a new RTG library is in the works which should provide 110Mb/s even on SamFlex (which means better performance will come for the slowest sams as well, specially when coupled with cards faster than the stock 9250 which as jupp3 said is the slowest dog ever created), it's just too early to compare anything.
When the whole finalized infrastructure will be ready we will be able to do some real testings.

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48 fps its still sucks. Must be 100 fps or not playable

Well, since you like to speak about the future, recent drivers give about 100fps on MorphOS. :)

@Fab
That sounds great, is it on the same HW we are talking about or faster CPU/GPU?

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@DAX

A mac mini and its r200.

@Fab
So same kind of chip (Radeon 9000 and 9250 are crippled R200 slower than the 8500) but way faster CPU, it would seem (the PegII mentioned was clocked at 1Ghz) it would be interesting to know the performance gain on the same machine.

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@kas1e

If i remember correctly (we wrote a big 3D comparison thread on Iksnet) MorphOS should give more or less 43 FPS at 640*480 (on Pegasos2/Radeon 9000) while the recent (unreleased) Quake 3 on AmigaOS 4.1 is near to 31 FPS on the same machine/gfx

This mainly thanks to the new Quake 3 compile, but also on Sam the performance were improved a lot thanks to all latest U-Boot updates ...

Just to let you know in details, originally i got:

Sam440ep Flex AMCC 440ep 800Mhz, Radeon 9250, Quake 3 (Capehill) in OS 4.1 Update 2 + MiniGL 2.2, original U-Boot:
640x480 12,3 fps
800x600 11,4 fps
1024x768 8,9 fps
1280x1024 7,5 fps

And now:

Sam440ep Flex AMCC 440ep 800Mhz, Radeon 9250 Quake 3 (m3x) in OS 4.1 Update 2 + MiniGL 2.5, latest U-Boot:
640x480 20,6 fps
800x600 18,1 fps
1024x768 15,5 fps
1280x1024 12.4 fps

So at the end, our 3D is surely no good in comparison to the MorphOS implementation but still progressing

Above of this we can count also on future U-Boot updates on Sam and maybe other new optimizations during the compiling of Quake 3, not to mention the future OS4 updates ... we will see

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DAX wrote: @kas1e As I said the test reported 31Fps on PegII+OS4. 47Fps on the same machine with Mos (which by the way, it's not a 50% difference, it's less than that).

Ah and again someone can't handle %

If you start with 31FPS (100%) than 50% is 15.5FPS and 150% is 46.5FPS

So yes, MorphOS is over 50% faster

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@Fab

Replying to myself... I was wrong. On Mac mini, with recent drivers, we actually reach 140fps.