Hello there,

what are the things that actually blocking the Amiga platform to take off?

Is Amiga trademark still somehow blocked?
There are any kind of restrictions to Hardware/Software?
Are we tied to the Amigaone name?

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Amig trademark belongs to C=USA, Furgetaboutit. AmigaOS is arcane to most users and the hardware is ridiculously expensive. There is little modern software. AmigaOS lacks many of the features of modern OSs like memory protection. It will never again be a mainstream operating system.

On the flip side the community is stable and there is hardware available if you are willing to pay the price....

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Is Amiga trademark still somehow blocked?

Pluritas is still responsible for negotiations concerning the trademark.
CUSA has stated in the past that it was one of their goals to own the trademark.

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There are any kind of restrictions to Hardware/Software?

I have no idea what you mean by that.

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Are we tied to the Amigaone name?

Under the terms of the Amiga Inc. vs Hyperion VOF settlement agreement, that is currently the case. Neither Acube nor A-EON can rebrand on their -own-.

But there is nothing stopping Acube and/or A-EON from discussing with CUSA the option/possibility of using Amiga branding for the Amigaones, should they see it as an advantage to do so.

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For all Amiga & Amiga derrived OS's its in general its lack of software & full time developers really (and specifically to OS4 cost of entry hardware wise).

To be useable to the everday average Jo/Jane its needs to be able to surf the web including play vids/music through browser, it also needs an office package compatible with Microsoft Office at its basics. (More advanced users would obv want their paint programs, music software, video software, 3D software etc etc).

To solve this the market needs a big cash injection which I suppose could be used like this:

1. To encourage full time (or more active part time) developers to write the necessary software (Office package, full feature browser, decent developer environment etc etc) even for our small market aslong as we stumped up a big wad of cash to take the risk out of it for them & probably provided the hardware at our expence.

2. Similarly with hardware (more for OS4 this one) if you had the money you could use it to encourage hardware vendors to crash prices down to more "reasonable" levels & produce greater numbers of units whilst you pick up the tab for losses with ever unit sold.

This sort of "tactic" is VERY VERY high risk and likly will not to work unless you know that both the above can be pulled off at the same time and "word of mouth" is good enough to draw people to what you are offering (I am making the assumption that no cash for any real advertising if you are subsidising everything else).

I can also say a general lack of interest to the general public for something that is doing everything that they have now (thanks to Windows being bundled with every ready to go PC, why bother changing) wont help matters and that you may only be able to draw in the "geek/nerd" crowd with something different to try.

(But this itself could be an issue for OS4 & MorphOS being PPC based, many of these "geeks/nerds" will already have some supped up X86 PC that costs alot & probably wot want to buy any new hardware unless it was dirt cheap)

The best we can hope to strive for is a "small" nieche market that is sustainable, but this will also take time and money and will leave us trailing even furthur behind new technology wise (soft & hardware).

There are many other bits & pieces I could write about (e.g. lack of cohesive image/desgin in OS4 market etc) but my arms are getting sore from the cold.

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AmigaBlitter wrote: what are the things that actually blocking the Amiga platform to take off?

"The Amiga" will be (or is) an product from CUSA or from iContain, I believe CUSA has not enough ressources getting things started.

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Is Amiga trademark still somehow blocked?

Thanks to the settlement the trademark is free again for everybody that pays for a trademark licence.

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There are any kind of restrictions to Hardware/Software?

Yes someone with the name licence "Amiga" can't sell an Amiga if it uses an OS with an architecture like AOS3/4.

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Are we tied to the Amigaone name?

AFAIK no one was ever tied to the AmigaOne name, Acube did not used it for their first products.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

Yes, if you want to use the Amiga name.

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Pluritas is still responsible for negotiations concerning the trademark.

So, the trademark does not belong to CUSA, right?

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@Arko

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"The Amiga" will be (or is) an product from CUSA or from iContain, I believe CUSA has not enough ressources getting things started.

CUSA has has more pressing issues to resolve in the Netherlands. Given the fact they are a startup, I imagine it is most difficult to focus on two dicey IPs at the same time...plus build a business.

btw-Todd Kleperis (IContain) just did a podcast recently with no mention of Amiga. He's working on filling the factories in Connecticut with state prisoners using his technology to keep tabs on the workforce.

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So, the trademark does not belong to CUSA, right?

Correct. They have extended the terms of their licensing agreement to include all form factors for "Amiga", but they do not own the trademark (according to all public information) as of yet.

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AmigaBlitter wrote: Hello there, what are the things that actually blocking the Amiga platform to take off? Is Amiga trademark still somehow blocked? There are any kind of restrictions to Hardware/Software? Are we tied to the Amigaone name?

Lack of quality software, security concept, competetive and sanely priced hardware and no public reception/PR. I think these are the most important things.

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Too much time wasted on threads like thsi and not enough on coding, using and enjoying....

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Barry's statement on the c-a.org websites

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/11285-some-more-good-news-to-end-2011?lang=en#11285

It's a license agreement not full ownership. They are also allowed to enforce the copyright where they feel there is a violation. Does this mean they can do what they like? Well I suppose given the circumstances they are going to push it as far as they can.

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what are the things that actually blocking the Amiga platform to take off?

Lack of money.

OS development is slow and somewhat out of date due to lack of money.

Applications needed for mainstream consumption are missing or incomplete due to lack of money.

Hardware is expensive because it can't be produced in volume due to lack of money.

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They are also allowed to enforce the copyright where they feel there is a violation.

There might be a difference in what they said vs truth on that one. You can say the same about the claim on the checkmark trademark.
In the first case, it is called testing the boundaries of the settlement agreement. In the second case it's a matter of trademark law. I'm sure you read the amiga.org thread where this was discussed in some depth.

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@number6

Without treading too far into OT. It smelled a bit fishy to me too. But hey oh.

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AmigaBlitter wrote: So, the trademark does not belong to CUSA, right?

Yes and No ... there is a trademark it could be used formany product of many companies. An exclusive name licence would be much more expensive.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

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what are the things that actually blocking the Amiga platform to take off?

The Amiga platform (the way most o' y'all define it) has no raison d'être.

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The Amiga platform (the way most o' y'all define it) has no raison d'être.

Neither does cusa...

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Neither does cusa...

I agree

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@AmigaBlitter

please define "take off" first ! Will your definition be the same as Hyperion's and other involved persons/companies ?

Well my definition would be: Build a wider and new niche market with some sort of application (or hardware/application bundle) which is not available anywhere else... (What ever that could be).

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Too much time wasted on threads like this and not enough on coding, using and enjoying....

Amen!

Unfortunately this seems to be a favorite pass-time of many on Amiga forums, instead of discussing topics which are more productive for the Amiga community.

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