I've been away a long time. A VERY long time.

Could someone please explain to me what a "modern" Amiga actually *IS*? I left Amiga when I got a job in Microsoft world and then my A1200/030/50/882 32Mb blew up.

I would like to know whether "new" Amiga hardware actually exists, or if it's a pure software environment at the moment. Could someone please let me know?

Sorry if the post's in the wrong place by the way - I couldn't see anywhere else that would be appropriate...

@Stonelaughter

We now have PowerPC based AmigaOne systems, and a new version of the Amigas operating system, version 4.0, is in development. A developer pre-release, which does not contain all the features of the final version, has been distributed to all current AmigaOne owners.

More information:
IntuitionBase.com - Excellent resource with lots of info
AmigaOS on Wikipedia - A nice article on Wikipedia which includes info going from 3.x to 4.0
Greg Donnors Workbench history - A nice history of AmigaOS from 1.0 up to 4.0

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@Stonelaughter

Yes, there's new Amiga hardware.

There's the official one:

The hardware that is currently available is called AmigaOne and has been sold in a few different variants (Using PPC G3 and G4 processors). But basically it's a PPC based motherboard with an AGP slot, pci slots, PS/2 connectors, USB etc much like a generic x86 motherboard. Which means that you can use standard PC equipment. There's also an operating system for it called AmigaOS 4.0 which is a PPC version of the classical 68k AmigaOS but with lots of enhancements and modernisations. AmigaOS 4.0 isn't finished yet, though a prerelease version has been released for those who have bought an AmigaOne.

And the unofficial one:

There's also a non official variant using similar PPC motherboards and its own AmigaOS 3.1 API compatible OS. The hardware is called Pegasos and the OS is called MorphOS.

This site that you're visiting is favouring the official route so you'll find more information about that one here.

/Björn

@Stonelaughter

Hi Stonelaughter, and welcome to Amigaworld.net. I guess you have already recieved an answer to your quetion, but you may also want to take a look at IntuitionBase.com for an overview of the new hardware (AmigaOne) and AmigaOS4.

For a more detailed list of the OS4 feature list, you can look at Amiga's OS4 Feature List.

@xeron

>Greg Donnors Workbench history - A nice history of AmigaOS from 1.0 up to 4.0

Good one!

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Thanks a lot guys. Are there any projected release dates for OS4 (Final)? Can I run an Amiga OS on x86 hardware these days (without emulation I mean)?

Thanks again

@Stonelaughter

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Are there any projected release dates for OS4 (Final)?

I believe that it's

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Can I run an Amiga OS on x86 hardware these days (without emulation I mean)?

I'm afraid not. The closest the platform came to that was Amithlon - an emulated AmigaOS running on a custom Linux kernel. Drivers interfaced directly to the PC's hardware and AmigaOS apps/plugins could be compiled for x86. It was stopped for legal issues There aren't any plans in the near future to port OS4 or its successors to x86.

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@Stonelaughter

You could try Amiga forever, its an emulator, but its all there including legal roms.

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@Stonelaughter

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Stonelaughter wrote: I've been away a long time. A VERY long time.

Well, welcome back then! Don't look into the light too long.




/shoe - AmigaONE-XE / AmigaOS4.0

@Stonelaughter

Welcome to AW!!

As already stated, you can use WinUAE or Amithlon on a x86, but you can't run OS4.x the new PPC AmigaOS. The only solution to run OS4.x now is to have a AmigaOne or MicroAmigaOne system.

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@Stonelaughter

You can also look forward to the release of a new AmigaOne system called the MicroA1! Its similar to a normal AmigaOne but has a much smaller Mini-ITX motherboard that can fit into some rather small cases! I can't wait til it arrives so I can get my hands on one! The MicroA1 is said to have an onboard graphics chip unless the specs have changed

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That part of the spec won't change, as it is the whole point of the thing

But it isn't ready yet, so you could be in for a rather long wait...

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Pegasos or AmigaOne, either way you may be initially shocked by the prices which is due to the small user base. It's a matter of attitude. If you look at the current hardware as accelerators boards they look quite cheap compared to the ones in the past.

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@Stonelaughter

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Can I run an Amiga OS on x86 hardware these days (without emulation I mean)? Thanks again

Take a look at AROS!
www.aros.org
and
http://aros-exec.org/modules/news/

Thats a opensource API-compatible alternative to amigaos, the primary developmentplatform is x86.

@alx

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Quote: Can I run an Amiga OS on x86 hardware these days (without emulation I mean)? I'm afraid not. The closest the platform came to that was Amithlon - an emulated AmigaOS running on a custom Linux kernel. Drivers interfaced directly to the PC's hardware and AmigaOS apps/plugins could be compiled for x86. It was stopped for legal issues There aren't any plans in the near future to port OS4 or its successors to x86.

you are right in that you cannot run os4 on the classic amigas current hardware (motorola based processors) however you can run it on a BLizzard / cyberstorm ppc which as I understand it can be added with a accelerator board (wor blizzard anyway im not sure about cyberstorm)

Also I have heard tell that elbox has a shark ppc that can plug into any spare PCI slot. although this is not actually in production yet but as they say it should be built when os4 (final) hits the A1. AS far as I can tell they have some kind of deal with AmigaINC / hyperion so that they will make the hardware to supply teh existing Amiga owners if they make the software. If you ask me it would be stupid for amigaINC / hyperion not to follow on with elbox on this as in the long run they are making more money for very few modifications in the OS code.

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WOOPS just read that post again..... i really do need glasses for some reasin i thaught you were talking about classic amiga hardware.. DOH! just ignore me **crawls back to hole i call home**

@Stonelaughter
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Can I run an Amiga OS on x86 hardware these days (without emulation I mean)?

There has not been an AmigaOS port to the x86 hardware platform if that's what you are looking for. The closest thing to an AmigaOS port to x86 hardware that is still available is the Amiga Forever product.

The rest of the solutions are either AmigaOS API clones or emulators not endorsed by the Amiga IP owners.

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ssolie wrote: @Stonelaughter Quote: Can I run an Amiga OS on x86 hardware these days (without emulation I mean)? There has not been an AmigaOS port to the x86 hardware platform if that's what you are looking for. The closest thing to an AmigaOS port to x86 hardware that is still available is the Amiga Forever product.

The closest thing to an x86-port is AROS. It´s actually compiled for x86, UAE is just an emulator and Amithlon is somewhere in between.
Of course

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Of course AROS also needs UAE to run classic m68k programs on x86.

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I apologize there was no need for me to go off like that.

@Dan

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And whats so special about "endorsed by the Amiga IP owners"? :sigh:

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And there is nothing wrong with AROS, reverse engineering isn´t illegal so stop FUDing.

Who said AROS? I thought he was talking about AROS as the API clone, and Amithlon as the "not endorsed" solution. You know, what with legal disputes over it and everything. Maybe you should get the facts before ranting?

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If people asks for AmigaOS on x86 the answer is AROS.

Unless they actually want to run ANY their Amiga software that hasn't been specifically ported to AROS without resorting to UAE, of course

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@Dan

Calm down, you're way out of line.

The only one putting evaluation to what he said is you. There's absolutely no FUD in ssolies message other that what you put into it. He's giving a clear factual reply.

The concept of "endorsed by the Amiga IP owners" and being special or not was introduced by you, not him.

He didn't say anything about AROS being anything wrong, you brought that up.

He didn't say reverse engineering is illegal, you brought that up.

And just because you see AROS as AmigaOS it doesn't mean that others do or indeed have to and you should be flexible enough to understand that not everyone does and that they speak in context of that when replying to "does AmigaOS run on x86".

If you want to introduce newcomers to AROS then you're certainly not choosing the best way of doing it. A simple "There also an open source AmigaOS 3.1 API clone called AROS available if you're interested in that. It's main development is on the x86 side but there are also ports for other platforms." or just staying with your first reply would have done just fine. But you just couldn't resist jumping the gun for no good reason could you.

/Björn