@Crumb

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Crumb wrote: @Hans Now some kind of usb wrapper library would be nice to unify AROS/OS4/MOS efforts but unfortunately I doubt the authors want to cooperate :-/

Poseidon runs on AmigaOS 3.x, MorphOS, and (probably(?)) OS4. Looks kind of like a standard to me, like MUI, AHI, etc...

@takemehomegrandma

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takemehomegrandma wrote: @Crumb Quote: Crumb wrote: @Hans Now some kind of usb wrapper library would be nice to unify AROS/OS4/MOS efforts but unfortunately I doubt the authors want to cooperate :-/ Poseidon runs on AmigaOS 3.x, MorphOS, and (probably(?)) OS4. Looks kind of like a standard to me, like MUI, AHI, etc...

Except it doesn't run natively on OS4. You really don't want to have your drivers running under emulation.

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Except it doesn't run natively on OS4.

But it could, right?

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takemehomegrandma wrote: @Hans Quote: Except it doesn't run natively on OS4. But it could, right?

You're point being?

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Except it doesn't run natively on OS4. You really don't want to have your drivers running under emulation.

Why not? Only difference between 68k and PPC code is that PPC code runs little faster and maybe uses little less memory. Having stuff running natively is greatly overrated.

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@Crumb
You can't compare Sirion stack with ANAIIS:
1 ANAIIS is design for Kickstart 1.x but work with AOS3.1 and perhaps higher.
2 ANAIIS is design for uhc124 (subway/highway) and calibrate for a 68000 at 7.14Mhz, works at he same speed on 68060 at 50Mhz.
3 ANAIIS is free, because it's coded for fun and I don't want money (uniquely documentation... :) )
4 ANAIIS can't manage device unpluging (working on that)
5 ANAIIS has got a lot of bugs (many thanks for the brave beta testers)
6 ANAIIS manages hubs, mouse, keyboard, printer and that's all (better than nothing).

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Does ANAIIS support scrollwheels or printers or the PageDown key?

Now yes >0.92 version
Still got a problem with HPPSC2210 printer (don't print but detect online/no paper...)
No problem with "Prolific" (it's a chinese trademark) adaptater ieee1284 and centronics
(print faster than the classic parallel.device ).

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If not, Sirion is more than slightly advanced IMHO.

Sure! you're absolutly right!
but days are limited to 24 hours on my planet

Nice to see that people tell about ANAIIS... but ANAIIS will never be usable on OS4...

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What a nasty tone there is to this thread.
What's wrong with everyone here, we all upset that the festive season has reached a conclusion or something?

Rude!

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itix wrote: @Hans Quote: Except it doesn't run natively on OS4. You really don't want to have your drivers running under emulation. Why not? Only difference between 68k and PPC code is that PPC code runs little faster and maybe uses little less memory. Having stuff running natively is greatly overrated.

Memory and speed differences are more than just a "little." It's the same reason that I don't want my drivers running on a Java VM.

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when most time is spent in waiting for ressources (waiting for interrupts, reading/writing to "slow" memory space, mostly idle while dma is active, ...), i don't think a native driver is really that important.

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Fab wrote: @Hans when most time is spent in waiting for ressources (waiting for interrupts, reading/writing to "slow" memory space, mostly idle while dma is active, ...), i don't think a native driver is really that important.

Feel free to waste your own CPU cycles needlessly. I don't want a webcam driver decompressing frames under emulation. If I'm copying files then I don't want the driver to be eating up more cycles than necessary either. Sure files won't be copied faster whether the CPU is almost idle, or at 50%, but I have a tendency to set my computer doing multiple tasks simultaneously.

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@lukeskyd

The problem is not software availability, but programmer and developer availability. Regardless of what USB stack or other software is used, there has to be someone developing it. Hyperion has no extra resources to take on Poseidon, Sirion, or anything else. They have to rely on the respective developers, which are few.

The only solution is to increase the number of OS4 users. As the number of users increase, it adds a certain percentage of programmers from within the user base, and also proportionally attracts external developers. That is one reason why OS4 for ClassicPPC is important, because it increases the number of users.

We have to build the platform in a certain order. The good thing is that we already have a good performance foundation with PPC CPU layer and OS4 operating system layer. The next step is selling it. A good USB stack and other software improvements would help sell it, but that is secondary to the primary task of hardware licensing. There are two parties with contractual permission to address this. AmigaInc, and their Partners. Unfortunately AmigaInc has licensed non-existant Ack hardware; however, Hyperion has produced for existing hardware and hopefully continue with their other "target" hardware.

Until that happens, I would support the existing solutions, and for USB that may mean Sirion.

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Only difference between 68k and PPC code is that PPC code runs little faster and maybe uses little less memory. Having stuff running natively is greatly overrated.

Hey, keep up that attitude of consuming more processing power and memory and you eventually have MS Vista. :)

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@logicalheart

HA!

I like the little "I got my fingers on a USB Keyboard, that'll be fun!' in Poseidon.

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lukeskyd wrote: ... Chris Hodges Poseidon USB stack must be released as some sort of open souce project. ...

In the forum of amiga-news.de (German only) I had a conversation with Michael Boehmer (E3B - hardware developer) about USB 2.0 highspeed on the Amiga. In the course of the conversation he told me that he is currently developing "Deneb", a new USB2.0 highspeed card for Amiga-Zorro II/III, that will come with a "full OEM licence" of Poseidon 3.x.

As I had never heard of that before, I thought it might be a good idea to share this piece of good news with you.
Here a translation of the most interesting parts of our conversation:

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mboehmer wrote: The "Deneb" supports USB2.0 Highspeed, allows proper DMA with Zorro III that saves CPU time, works without pci-graphic-card-tricks and with OS4 classic (and without crashing when changing the video mode), allows the integration of an FlashROM with Poseidon at a cold boot, is e.g. able to boot from an USB2SATA-Adaptor because of that, comes with an full OEM version of Poseidon 3.x and transfer rate on Zorro III DMA with 060 cpu is up to 9MB/s (SCSIspeed) in USB2.0 mode. After all, that's about 1/4 of the max. possible data tranfer rate on USB2.0. ... Regarding availability: we are workin on it, production is initiated. Affordable, small batches take a little bit longer than a real high volume production run. ... Quote: Dandy wrote: Does an website already exist, where one can have a closer look at the specs? ... Specs - no, not directly, but pictures of the prototypes including the pre-production card as well as more info about the "Deneb" at the Amiga-Forum/Hardware section at a1k.org (German only) In case you're interested... BTW, Poseidon is included as complete OEM-licence. BTW2, the "Deneb" is autosensing Zorro II / III, DMA is only possible and reasonable with Zorro III (with Zorro II it only works from Zorro to ChipRam). Michael

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Pity you can' t use open source USB stack.

Dammy

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@Dandy

I wouldn't mind USB2.0 drivers for a usb2 PCI card, then I could use usb2 on my A1.

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All right folks - it's show time:

Deneb USB 2.0 highspeed controller is now available!

I ordered mine yesterday...

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According to me Chris Hodges Poseidon USB stack must be released as some sort of open souce project.. it's a big shame lost the main and old usb stack.. Anyone or hyperion can adopt poseidon usb stack??

Ok, so...

1. Chris Hodges said he was ready to open source it under the APL (Aros Public Licence) for a reasonnable amount of money. Then people from the AROS community wondered if someone could do it, and decided it was a good idea that Chris himself would do the port. Which he said he would do for a bigger amount of money.

So we are there:

- proposed bounty for porting Poseidon to AROS and release it as APL

Nothing more, nothing less. So your assumptions that Chris said Poseidon must be released, blabla.. are wrong.

2. If the bounty was accepted, and the money was reached, and the port successfully done, it would be released as APL, and yes, anyone accepting this licence could adopt it... So what ? As I see it it's something really positive we do not often see in this "community"...

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@Leo

Poseidon is by far the best USB stack on the Amiga platform. It's the only serious option in my eyes, nothing available today could compare or compete. If Chris would release it as open source it would truly be a great gesture of him, especially after the attacks on him at amiga-news.de some time ago which resulted in him dropping all Amiga support.

@takemehomegrandma

I agree :) And by saying this was something positive that's what I meant in case you didn't notice ;)

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