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@Zylesea

2.7hgz looks pretty cool. All that competitions between os4/mos are good for end users :) Next step for aos4 - multicore (so => 3.6ghz in summ).

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YES PLEASE

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Hope the wait will be not that long as for PowerBook port.

@kas1e

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kas1e wrote: @Zylesea 2.7hgz looks pretty cool. All that competitions between os4/mos are good for end users :) Next step for aos4 - multicore (so => 3.6ghz in summ).

Multicore support is another issue for the future. Some PowerMacs G5 are quad core.That would be massive power. But step by step.
Anyway, I am mostly looking forward to the Powerbook version.

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Yeay. And the last PPC Mac

Nice!

How much is a second-hand PowerMac G5 ? I know it won't be released (if it's ever) soon, just wondering :)

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@Leo

Depending on the models, between 150 and 700 euros, i guess.

@Zylesea

That's awesome! I would buy a copy and install on a second drive on my G5 tower at work.

That said, I'm still wanting the Powerbook version. Is it available yet?

@herewegoagain

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herewegoagain wrote: That said, I'm still wanting the Powerbook version. Is it available yet?

That's what I am waiting for, too. But it lacks 9700 3D support and WLAN yet, as well as there is no battery control yet and no audio volume control. I think the luckiest guess may be about x-mas for a release.

The G5 version, I think will take a good while of time until release.

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@Zylesea

Just a question, does MOS not have even less software then AOS atm?

Just curious what programs you guys would have that would utilise the power difference, cheers.

Thank you for any information given.

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@Gebrochen

Why would it have less software? MorphOS is quite older and has actually more software you can think of (and more polished and optimized, too). Now, if you include every possible straight recompilation of development libraries or crappy sdl games (that take 2 minutes to port), then OS4 might have more, but it's not about quantity but quality, you know. :)

Anyway, having a G5 machine can certainly be questionable given the noise/space/power consumption factors, but speed-wise, many programs could make use of it:
- high resolution videos (1080p H264 might be doable on this kind of machine, with a not too crippled player or operating system)
- many emulators like MAME (ever tried more recent games like ridge racer, virtua racing and co?), MESS, some N64 emulator i never released for speed reasons, ...
- rendering/computing programs like mencoder, blender, any raytracers you can think of
- web browsing and Flash plugin in particular (though there are other ways to optimize it first)
- more demanding games (for instance, latest UFO AI version is quite heavy), ...

and probably more...

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@Gebrochen

I think Fab gave the answer already. And while raw cpu power is not the only thing to consider I think as a general approach in the computing world is of course valid to say: the more power the merrier.

Just think of hd video (720p works okay on my 1.5Ghz maschine, but 1080 is struggeling). Modern browsing is really a demanding task (e.g. I use google maps a lot- needs a fast web connection and much cpu time).
Emulation (UAE, MAME, Bochs) needs serious power.
Blender, Hollywood (recently I wrote a little, rather easy app for my work that was actually a bit too sluggish on the mini, but was nicely fast in its windows version on the Core Duo). Even Showgirls benefits from more power. Decoding high res pictures from current cameras cannot be fast enough. Currently on my Mac mini the 8 MP pictures (and 8 MP is definitely not highend for a DSLR camera!) of my compact camera take something like 1/3s to get decoded IIRC (sitting at my eee right now). The G4s are fast, but of course it can always be faster.

As to the amount of available software. I think MorphOS has about an compareable amount of native software as OS4 has, plus it runs more 68k soft than OS4, add the PowerUP and WarpOS software and a handful of OS4 software thanks to OS4Emu.

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@Zylesea
I guess that means the trolling from certain MOS users will stop.

@Tomas

No harm meant here but :

WTF is this communities problem, Im sick of it, people call it trolling the moment somebody has a difference in opinion in one of the Amiga or Amiga like os'es, and its quiet frankly bullshet.

Stop it all of you.

So I dont like using the Morph operating system, big deal, atleast Im honest enough to say so. Im sure there are many that dont spit out their real feelings over AOS or AROS, or even MOS,

As far as operating systems go, we all have our preferences, mine are just leaning more towards AROS and AOS, I dont see a problem with this?

I know users in Australia here that had AOS, found it nice to use, but went back to their MOS systems, and vice versa, again, I found it great that they were able to be honest about this.

@ Fab

As for power wise, Nice answer, I appreciate it, yeah AOS could use more power, my sam440ep just isnt enough for my useages, I run out quickly when having multiple software packages open, and it gets annoying having to close things down and re open them.

Thus far Ive been dealing with it, but I must admit, it does make me have a reason to keep my spare x86 Linux box for not just some games I cant play on AOS as yet.

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@Fab

What are all this crap SDL port ?
xMame then ?

I think that you need to follow a bit more the OS4 world ...

Most important software or games that you can run on MorphOS are already availible on OS4, yes maybe some of them are not 100% optimized (for example Quake 3) but say "crappy SDL games" is not true ...

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@samo79

Don't take it the wrong way, there's also similar stuff for MorphOS i could call crappy as well. Random pointless or unfinished games (only ported because it took 2 minutes to do so, but aren't really interesting at all). And I don't say all SDL games suck, far from it (i even played some quite much).

And there's nothing wrong with having this kind of ports, but i don't think they should be relevant in any software database comparison (and the same applies to straight recompilations of development libraries or commands that compile everywhere). :)

Just to show the latest games released or in develpment in latest 8 (eight) weeks

Aquaria 1.1.3
FreeCiv 2.2.1
Battle For Wesnoth 1.8.3
Zaz 0.8.0
Descent FreeSpace II 3.6.10
GLHexen 2 Hammer of Thyrion 1.4.4
I Have No Tomatoes 1.5
Gish 1.53
Ligaru HD
Chromium 0.9.12
FreeDink SmallWood 1.08
PainTown 3.3.1
xMoto 0.5.3
The Legend Of Edgar 0.55
FooBillard 3.0a
GnGeo 0.8.0 WIP
VirtualJaguar 1.0.7

In developments

UFO: Alien Invasion
Homeworld

Not to bad for crappy and quick SDL ports

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Don't take it the wrong way, there's also similar stuff for MorphOS i could call crappy as well. Random pointless or unfinished games (only ported because it took 2 minutes to do so, but aren't really interesting at all). And I don't say all SDL games suck, far from it (i even played some quite much). And there's nothing wrong with having this kind of ports, but i don't think they should be relevant in any software database comparison (and the same applies to straight recompilations of development libraries or commands that compile everywhere). :)

Well that's ok, but if you share an opinion regarding another plaform, that opinion must be more impartial imho.

Actually there are only a few reason to use a 2 Ghz machine for the Amiga software, we doesn't have the huge MacOS/Windows apps, in this, speaking about MorphOS or AmigaOS doesn't change too mutch, for people outside our community OS4 or MOS are only a toy OS with a few software availible and a lot of limitations ...

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@samo79

Well, for instance, let's take Freeciv2. I've compiled it as SDL about 2 years ago, and it was working quite correctly (although a bit slowish for me), and I never released it, because i think it deserves better, like what Sebastian Bauer did with Freeciv 1.x: a real port using MUI (just like the other ports using GTK or Win32 UI).

Same for VirtualJaguar or Mupen64... I ported them several years ago, and I never released it because it was a bit too slow on Pegasos 2.

In this list, i've also ported Wesnoth 1.8.x, UFO AI (current version will be quite slow on SAM, and even Peg2, btw), GnGeo, Xmoto and Aquaria. Kiero ported Homeworld, Freespace2, Foobillard and GLHexen2, and most of the rest was also ported, except maybe LugaruHD (that i ponder porting), and Zaz that i don't know. So I'm not allergic to SDL, as you can see.

But you didn't take the worst crappy SDL games i was referring to. I'd have to dig in os4depot to list some of them.

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