Please can people stop using this news as an excuse to start a war between AROS and OS 4?

Commodore USA and AROS are not the same thing. AROS remains free and open-source, just as it has been for 15 years. AROS will be an option on the Commodore Amiga, but anybody - from ACube to Genesi to Dell - are just as free to bundle AROS as Commodore USA. Nobody can "own" AROS for any amount of money. It is un-ownable!

Over the past couple of days, people have been making over-the-top statements that AROS should be killed, that's it crap, that's it's a threat to OS4, that it's not real Amiga, that it's nothing more than an OS 3.1 clone. All the put-downs we heard before, basically, but more intense.

Gloating from a very small number of AROS fans doesn't help - those put-downs have irritated me for years, and maybe I have had the odd wry smile reading certain comments this week, but let's have a bit of restraint! Still, I sense a lot of this is from people jumping on the AROS bandwagon just to wind a few people up. That's not support.

Before Commodore's announcement, we were talking about how to share APIs, perhaps through porting Zune to OS 4 and bringing it up to MUI4 level. That was great. I hate to come out with such a sanctimonious (and hypocritical) post, but everyone needs to calm down...!

Chris

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@clebin
probably it's not Aros VS OS4 but Aros VS Ainc/C=. As you said the aros Devs and community have invested (and are investing) time and money (through bounties) in developing the thing as a free for all solution, and than comes Ainc/C= trying to make $$$/commercial stuff sold in stores with other's efforts. In the end without the latter they would have no Amiga-Like OS to install on x86 HW wouldn't they? Why should anyone capitalize on those efforts without sharing a piece of the pie?

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@clebin

If the average Amigan found a winning lottery ticket, they'd think it a scam and throw it away. Such is the mistrust these days.

AROS has always seemed to lack polish. I was never attracted to it because it looked like it was in alpha state (Based only on the websites promoting it, not on the actual product), this latest twist in the adventures of miggy can only be a good thing can't it?

Finally the average PC owning Joe can now get their hands on an Amiga OS that is being promoted in commercial sectors out with the Amiga community. This in turn leads to them searching online, this in turn leads to them finding websites like this one, this in turn leads to more people finding out about AmigaOS.

Of course if they do that right now, they'll bugger off as all they'll see is rabid infighting, but hey, when has the community ever been a good advert for the technology?

Its time (it's long past time, but hey) we put all the crap behind us. Embrace anyone willing to invest in the AMIGA, whatever corner or niche it happens to fall into. Jay alone knows we need all the support we can get.

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@clebin

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Before Commodore's announcement, we were talking about how to share APIs, perhaps through porting Zune to OS 4 and bringing it up to MUI4 level. That was great. I hate to come out with such a sanctimonious (and hypocritical) post, but everyone needs to calm down...!

isn´t suspicious that every time that the community have any intention of reunification a vaporware/scam announcement emerges?

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@clebin

Your equitation seems to complex for some simple minds.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@DAX

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and than comes Ainc/C= trying to make a penny/commercial product with other's efforts.

I don't see an issue there. This all comes down to AROS license. If it allows one to sell a product with it, then they can do it. If AROS devs wanted to prevent this, they should have opted for another license.

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Fransexy wrote: every time that the community have any intention of reunification

tell me more about this

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@ruben
so the Aros licence states that anyone can exploit the software commercially without permission?

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@clebin

If you had just all stayed faithful to the Amiga (hell, this doesn't mean you couldn't get a machine to do your business on) you guys wouldn't be in this position...

AmigaOS doesn't need AROS or MorphOS or anything else... truth is you haunt the original Amiga Forums with your taint... but hey, everyone knows that anyway...

You choose your path, you made your choice, you dug your holes, now you're lying in them...

enjoy... don't mind AmigaOS quietly carrying on with business as usual just ignoring this background noise...

Why is it we are so positive and your camps are always up in arms about everything?

My advice... get some class, honour and self respect, reform on your own forums and concentrate on going somewhere and be proud of it... don't worry about what anyone else is doing... it's a simple methodology that works... and stay away from mixed or Amiga Boards...

The extent that most Amiga Boards today have been damaged is I doubt they can ever come back... eventually we will leave these grounds for good and put our energy into a new line of boards... boards that are actually started to support AmigaOS... and 90% of the stuff posted on the overrun boards of today will certainly not be tolerated... and I've got quite a few unique ideas about handling individuals that get kicks coming to places they don't belong...

anyway, enough free insight... enjoy as per usual

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@DAX

I'm not sure, I haven't read it fully. But it's possible that it does. I believe GPL does, for instance.

@All

Everyone can download and use AROS on their systems or sell systems with AROS boundles without requiring any permission from AROS Team. The only thing we ask for is that when you use our source code and modify it, you provide us back with the changes and improvements. AROS is about community and it's nice if you can contribute back to the community and the development but it is not in any way required.

This is not any different than how Linux works. Everyone can distribute computers with Linux without asking for any permissions as long as they respect the respective software licenses.

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@deadwood
yes but more than a legal issue with Aros I was thinking more of a "moral" one. Ainc making money with Aros is a little too much for most (but not all of course).

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Ainc making money with Aros is a little too much for most (but not all of course).

AInc are not making money with AROS and it is not even a major vehicle to sell the HW. They are making money on the licensing. Guess how much companies are making money with Linux without anybody complaining?

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Why is it we are so positive and your camps are always up in arms about everything?

You could die from irony poisoning reading this post.

Chris

@DAX

Uh. This is open source software. "Exploit" is not a proper word. "Use" it in any mean you like as long you provide changes back to community. Unless Red Hat "exploits" Linux in your mind, too.

EDIT: Krzysztof beat me to it.

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clebin wrote: @Slayer Quote: Why is it we are so positive and your camps are always up in arms about everything? You could die from irony poisoning reading this post. Chris

My thoughts exactly.

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Slayer wrote: truth is you haunt the original Amiga Forums with your taint...

Be careful if you call this an Amiga Forum, especially after this brand name is in use again.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@clebin

I cannot agree more, so much good will was slowly appearing from all camps towards Aros and it could be damaged by all of this going on this week. I for one am amazed that C=USA got the Amiga name rights, as I thought they were lost.

But, Aros was doing well and gradually gaining respect, so can we please just carry on as before and once C=USA start spending money on Aros development people will see a benefit and they will gain the respect they want.

Personally, I have to say that right now if I can afford to buy a new computer soon, which may not be till next year as I finally bought my daughter a new car now she is seventeen, it will be an X1000, even though it is a bit pricey, it is very cool, has AmigaOS on it and I think the XMOS stuff will be amazing. On top of this I want to support e-Aon and Hyperion because of all the work they have done over the years keeping the official AmigaOS alive.

Edit: Obviously I am not dropping Aros but want to cross develop.

Steve

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Slayer wrote: @clebin If you had just all stayed faithful to the Amiga (hell, this doesn't mean you couldn't get a machine to do your business on) you guys wouldn't be in this position...

What a load of ****. You maybe stay faithful to your wife, your religion but not to your piece of silicon. I tried to get back to Amiga it wasn't possible it just costs to much. I aways knew that way back with PPC accelerators that it was the wrong way to go. I was prepeared to buy into it but not for insane amounts of money.

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AmigaOS doesn't need AROS or MorphOS or anything else... truth is you haunt the original Amiga Forums with your taint... but hey, everyone knows that anyway...

Another false statement, be true to your roots. we were once under the same roof there's Amigans in very camp. And *newsflash* you can't force anyone to buy into your choice. Then better to let each work in their envoirment of choice and share knowledege and software. The door swings both ways, did you know that ?
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You choose your path, you made your choice, you dug your holes, now you're lying in them...

So did you, and your path isn't any better than mine.
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enjoy... don't mind AmigaOS quietly carrying on with business as usual just ignoring this background noise...

We can do the same it's business as usaual that's the best option now.
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Why is it we are so positive and your camps are always up in arms about everything?

This is also what every 3 camps think about themselves, it's the others that are fighting causing trouble. *newsflash* again, nobody is better than the other camp. We are equally quilty.
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My advice... get some class, honour and self respect, reform on your own forums and concentrate on going somewhere and be proud of it... don't worry about what anyone else is doing... it's a simple methodology that works... and stay away from mixed or Amiga Boards...

You ment put your head in the sand.
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I've got quite a few unique ideas about handling individuals that get kicks coming to places they don't belong...

Sounds like a nice place, tell me more about it.

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@DAX

As far as I understand it, C=USA would contribute back if the money became available. Bundling an AROS distro on their machines would be a positive boost for the OS and could bring some new users in.

A bigger worry for me, is if they mis-sell the OS as being more stable/complete that it is, or if their actions anger people and AROS gets sucked into the arguments.

But that can be tackled with a bit of feedback to Leo & co and gently reminding people that AROS is independent. It's not so bad.

Chris