Hi,

I have been asked a number of questions concerning the lastest version of
TuneNet from various people in threads, PM's and even the comments within
OS4 Depot. So I thought I'd add it to a seperate thread here for easy access.

Feel free to ask questions and I'll do my best to answer them.


1/ Broadcasting with TuneNet to the Amiga Selcocast Server.

Selcocast can be found here: http://people.freenet.de/selco/selcast.htm
and is a shoutcast like server, which should accept connections from a
broadcasting tool like TuneNet or WinAmp.

Update : The latest version now works with OS4, and there is now even an
OS4 binary!

Assuming that you are connecting to the same Amiga with TuneNet typical
broadcast settings should be:

IP: 127.0.0.1
Port: 8001
Password: changeme

You launch the selcoast server with:

selcocast_stream_server 8000 changeme

Please note, that the TuneNet port is +1 what the selcocast server specifies.


2/ The TuneNet Station Listings do not appear and you get a message:

"Error obtaining station listings".

* Now resolved in V0.78r4a *
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=audio/play/tunenet.lha


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Basically the day I launched the latest version was the day that the shoutcast
site (www.shoutcast.com) went really slow. TuneNet uses this site to obtain
station details and unfortunately the latest version of TuneNet gets bored
easily and gives up on the slow server.

I am currently putting together a service release to make TuneNet more patient!
In the mean time if you keep getting this error message use the instructions
to configure AWeb / IBrowse to work with TuneNet, navigate to the shoutcast
site, and click on a "TuneIn" icon to set the station off.


3/ Editing a playlist.

Ok, this isn't as obvious as it sounds. My fault - I'll make a change in the
future.

On the Playlist tab click the little left arrow button. A sub menu will appear
giving you the option to select "Edit Functions". Clicking this will turn the
find bar into a standard editing toolbar, with up, down, top, bottom, delete
and clear functions.


4/ How do I add a tune without it starting immediately

Either a/ Drag the tune icon onto the playlist from workbench..
or b/ Select "Add Media" from the Menu instead of "Open Media".


5/ TuneNet now Que's or X-Fades tracks, I want the original play behaviour

Older versions of TuneNet wouldn't Que up or X-Fade shoutcast stations, you can
recreate this by going to the preferences, "Play/Rec" tab and changing the
playback to "simple".

Note : For broadcasting you should really use Gapless or XFade as
Simple Play currently has some limitations in its use (it doesn't sound
as good either).


6/ How do I broadcast from a Mic / Line In

At the moment, TuneNet only supports what it can play. A new version/plugin
will be worked on to include soundcard / mic input.


7/ My machine freezes after playing Shoutcast stations for a while

A sudden, total freeze usually indicates a Network / Sound issue, the likes
that we have seen with Sound Blaster Live cards etc.. TuneNet has been tested
a lot on a few stable A1's and it will play and play. In fact so confident I
became that I listened to hours of Internet music whilst developing the thing.

Please check your machine for download / music lockup's - there are a number
of threads that can help you here on this site.


8/ I want a full skinable interface

At the moment TuneNet supports small docky skins only, this will be extended
at some point, but my main focus is how it sounds and not how it looks. I've
some other things to add first.


9/ The sound quality is bad.

Make sure you are using a HIFI mode in the Audio Mode from the "General Tab"
of the preference window. The sound quality should be pretty good!

10/ I'm having trouble playing MED and DB files with ModPlug Plugin

I've asked the author and here is what was said.

Only the older DBM modules are supoported within ModPlug and not the newer
"more than 8 channels" variety.

MED also has very limited support. Some files work, and some do not.

Hopefully this situation will change in the future.

11/ Why is the main EXE file size so large (~900K depending on version). Surely all the Codecs are outside of TuneNet? (from Samwel).

Is it that large, seems reasonable enough to me? Remember this is PPC code.
I'm using CLIB2 instead of NEWLIB again, so that maybe a reason. Also GCC V4
produces larger code on the whole than GCC3 which it used to be compiled with.
Also there is a lot of code now! There are database classes, mixing routines,
resampling routines, network classes, docky skin handling, Reaction GUI
handling, playback routines, preference handling, CLI handling... the list
goes on.

*ALL* codecs are outside TuneNet (even MP3 which needs an external library).
..and I've written very modular code and classes which can sometimes bump the
filesize up.

The main question is; Does it start quick enough for you, and how long do you
have to wait before hearing the song?

Answer: It is quick!

Update : The latest version rev 5 is back to a NewLib compile. You should
find this has shaved about 100K off the file size.

12/ Is MED SoundStudio file playback in the works? (by Hans)

Not currently. However, if someone wants to add it to the ModPlug system and
recompile the plugin they can do. The modplug source can be found here:
http://modplug-xmms.sourceforge.net/ and the plugin source for ModPlug written
by Olle can be found on the TuneNet homepage.

13/ Playlists take a while to load, how can I speed it up? (by Thematic)

For Playlists make sure the Playlist Verify is turned off in the Play/Rec
preferences. It will then load the list but not verify the tunes until each
song is played. This should speed things up a fair bit, but has the
disadvantage of not checking if the Tunes in the playlist are in fact valid
files.

You can also turn off "file verify" to allow you to add songs to the playlist
without checking. This option isn't recommended as it allows you to add any
file to the list, with it only being checked when you actually come to listen
to it.

So: Playlist Verify off, and File Verify on is recommended.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Bean.

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@Bean

Thanks for the update - TuneNet is great

XFade is awesome

MOD replay is marvellous

Sound quality is incredible

I am tired...

@Bean
Moved to OS4 Software, but you could have done a news item for somethingof this length, for future referencee (your choice entirely..)

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I got also crash when running selvo server and press broadcast on tunenet.

EDIT: No more as there is selcocast update with also os4 binaries

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@Bean

Good FAQ

Covers some good points.

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@Bean

Thanks for the FAQ and especially #2:

2/ The TuneNet Station Listings do not appear and you get a message:

"Error obtaining station listings".

Basically the day I launched the latest version was the day that the shoutcast
site (www.shoutcast.com) went really slow. TuneNet uses this site to obtain
station details and unfortunately the latest version of TuneNet gets bored
easily and gives up on the slow server...

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OK, that helps alot! Edit out ' Error ' for something else. Did you ever
fix your PayPal button?

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10/ ModPlug supports 22 formats. I can't open DBM and MED modules.

@Bean

Its really shaping up mate, and that XFade feature is awesome.

Rude!

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@Bean

Quote:

Selcocast can be found here: http://people.freenet.de/selco/selcast.htm and is a shoutcast like server, which should accept connections from a broadcasting tool like TuneNet or WinAmp.

You mean that TuneNet with Selcocast gives us the opportunity to make a broadcast server without the use of any pc.... Did anyone tried Selcocast if it plays 100% with the connection of a mp3 player, as it is descrbed in Selcocast site under OS4?

If not, did anyone try to contact the Selcocast author? Is there development? Could this become better?

I believe that if we could have a good broadcast server, then we could make more things against the WinIntel machines, and that's good!

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@walkero

Yes, if Selcocast worked on OS4 then we wouldn't need an external PC to use as a server.

ATM Selcocast crashes the moment you athenticate a connection when running on OS4. This happens if you connect to it using WinAmp also. If it can be fixed by the author then it should be able to be used in the way described.

Perhaps someone would like to consider porting the Icecast Server to OS4? Source available here:

http://www.icecast.org/download.php

Cheers,
Bean.

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@Bean

I believe JurassicC knows a fair bit about SelcoCast.

iirc all your mp3's need encoding to 128kbps to use it.

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@The_Editor

Quote:

I believe JurassicC knows a fair bit about SelcoCast. iirc all your mp3's need encoding to 128kbps to use it.

That part of it can be replaced by TuneNet, as that re-encodes your songs on the fly.

But Selcocast also includes a server (much like the AWR server). If we could get that part of it running on OS4 then you'd be able to Play tunes with TuneNet, which would broadcast to the Selcocast server, which would in turn distribute the songs out to the connecting clients (ie listeners).

Hope that makes sense!

Cheers,
Bean.

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@Bean

tunenet is a fine app thanks for this.

howerver i can't seems to be able to save playlist with url in it.
for ex. i click menu "open url" i paste my url, i can play it that's great but i cannot save it.

and about shoutcast radio "search" functions,
why can i only display 500radio? there's more..

and a feature request about that matters:
could it be possible to search for example "frank zappa" and tunenet search for radio broadcasting zappa's music?
i mean more like shoutcast web portal and ANR does, i can search into radio's descriptions instead of just radio's name.

tunenet seems a model of stability though.. nice app :)

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@Bean

thanx for the nice app!

I found that some RAmiga keyboard shortcuts do not work:

RAmiga P for preferences
RAmiga D for AmiDock display
RAmiga h for bubble help; which by the way is the same than "hide" in menu "Project"

and it's a little bit confusing that some shortcuts are displayed as UpperCase within
the menu, others lower case, but for all you can use both "lower" case shortcut e.g. "RAmiga-o"
and upper case "RAmiga-shift-o" [=~ "RAmiga-O"]

@Bean

Quote:

Perhaps someone would like to consider porting the Icecast Server to OS4? Source available here: http://www.icecast.org/download.php

Cooincidentaly downloaded and had a superficial look at that yesterday. It had a few dependencies for xml libraies and things, so I didn't get past configure. But I'd say it was portable.

Not promising to do it myself though, as it's not a build out of the box thing and there only so much coding time a man has got.

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Hi,

Quote:

Cooincidentaly downloaded and had a superficial look at that yesterday. It had a few dependencies for xml libraies and things, so I didn't get past configure. But I'd say it was portable.

One of the dependencies libXML2 is already on OS4 Depot, which might be a good
start.

http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=development/library/libxml2.lha

Cheers,
Bean.

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@Amigo1

The keyboard shortcuts are a bit screwed up. I'll fix that in the service
release.

@Freaks,

Quote:

Why 500 stations?

Good, question... I'll up the limit as well as put the bit rate in. As for the
advanced searching I have some plans for this in the future. Points noted.

@mufa,

I'll ask Olle about about the DBM and MED formats and add to the FAQ. I didn't
create this plugin but I can see that DBM modules don't play correctly.

Cheers,
Bean.

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@All,

By the way, thanks for the positive comments. It's much appreciated.

Cheers,
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@Bean

Yesterday I tried to play bradcast music with selcocast on my A1200 with OS3.9 and 040/25/603/175. The selcocast was working fine, I even played music to my PC winAmp by broadcasting.

But, unfortunately, when I tried to connect to it by my mA1 with the tunenet, it could connect to the server. It returned authodication error. But the password and all the other things were right.

Then I tried with selcocast_feeder from my mA1 to connect to the selcocast server and feed it with a song. This connected just fine and played just fine.

So, maybe there is a problem with the connection of tunenet to selcocast. I tried selcocast server at OS4, and it freeze my system upon connection, as you mentioned before.

Also you should consider to split the gui in two parts, the main one window and the playlist. It's something that we all get used to and this will make your GUI smaller. A button would make the playlist appear or disappear.

Anyway, the program is really great and you are doing a great job. Keep up the faith!

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@walkero

Concerning the Connection to Selcocast

I can't check with a classic Amiga as I don't have a working one any more

Maybe there is a slight incompatibility within the authentication process, probably a slightly different "OK" signal from the selcocast server which TuneNet takes as an authentication rejection.

I'll see if I can borrow an old machine to debug with.

Quote:

Also you should consider to split the gui in two parts, the main one window and the playlist. It's something that we all get used to and this will make your GUI smaller. A button would make the playlist appear or disappear.

A shrink button in addition to the iconfy button will be put in at some point to provide playing facilities only. But I have no plans to seperate the playlist out to a seperate window. If you need a small playing facility right now use the docky display (with one of the available skins) along with no reaction GUI, or an iconfied reaction GUI. You can drop tunes onto the docky display, or open a requester from the context menu, you can even alter the volume, song position and set record off on some of the skins, but for the playlist you must use the Reaction GUI.

If/When I ever get round to putting in the full skinable displays then I'll make sure the playlist can be seperated (though I've never seen the point of it personally )

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