This news item is yet another reminder of how important a CSS capable browser is. The moment we get one, our Amigas will suddenly be much more useful.

So, what's the status of all the browser efforts at the moment. IIRC, we were going to get an official Amizilla update a month ago. What happened to it? How are things progressing? Are the AWeb guys in contact with Marcik to collaborate on getting KHTML working on all AmigaOS variants? Then there's Ibrowse and Paihia. We heard a little about their progress a few months ago. Hopefully they've both made some headway since then.

I understand how big an undertaking these projects are and their efforts are all definitely appreciated. It would be nice if we could hear a little from each of these projects, even if there isn't much new since last time we bugged them for status updates.

One final item of interest would be to hear how captainmoomoo's students are doing with their porting tasks. I understand that some of them are involved with Amizilla.

Hans

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@Hans

Yes the net Browsing is the most important proggy today and we have the oldest (but nicest to Use, I think of Ibrowse ) programs now.

Today You can get the newest for pc,mac or linux. I could pay for an Amiga version. Still no news, I'd hope for some Really Soon Please.

@Hans
In the mean time, why not fire up that Ethernet port and VNC and/or Remote Desktop into your other computers and run whatever browser you like on your Amiga right now.

Yeah, it would be nice to have a native browser as well of course but I know I'm not waiting thanks to these efforts.

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@ssolie

What's the status on Amizilla,then?
Thanks.

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@ssolie

What (free) VNC server would you recommend? I can't use Remote Desktop as I've only got winXP home.

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@Hans

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Are the AWeb guys in contact with Marcik to collaborate on getting KHTML working on all AmigaOS variants?

Yup. (We hope)

Regards,
Henrik Mikael Kristensen
AWeb Development Team

@HMK

Good to Hear. Any progress beyond just talking with Marcik? i.e., anything working yet? We've had a few AWeb APL Lite releases, but haven't seen or heard anything regarding progres with the next generation KHTML-based browser.

Hans

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Hans wrote: Then there's Ibrowse and Paihia. We heard a little about their progress a few months ago. Hopefully they've both made some headway since then. I understand how big an undertaking these projects are and their efforts are all definitely appreciated. It would be nice if we could hear a little from each of these projects, even if there isn't much new since last time we bugged them for status updates.

Hi Hans,

Work on Paihia is still continuing. Today the source code stands at about 70,000 lines of C++, and I reckon there's another 30-40 thousand left to go. So it's about 60-70% complete, I'd say, but the hard bits are done - it should hopefully be a question of just cranking out the rest of code. It's been a much bigger project than I ever thought, but it should still weigh in at a fraction the size of Mozilla and KHTML, and perhaps even be the smallest & lightest XML/CSS/JS/DOM web browser ever. Still hoping for an end-of-year completion date...

@smithy

any chance of screen shots?

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@smithy

wow this is a great news.

Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Paolo

@smithy

Yeah Keep up the Work - and i thought that Paihia is dead - shame on me!!

Is there an chance for some screenshots?

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but it should still weigh in at a fraction the size of Mozilla and KHTML

That's what I like to hear.

@Hans

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we were going to get an official Amizilla update a month ago. What happened to it?

Anton Reinauer addressed Amiga Auckland on April 12 on Amizilla
progress, showing us what the Amizilla project was aiming for,
compared to what Amiga computers have got. At the end he handed
me the following prepared statement, a rewrite and completion of
the draft that got away last month - onto the net - I waited for
it to appear but wound up having to type it out for our members
- Noel

This is just a quick update, as a couple of people have been
spreading FUD that the project is dead. I wasn't going to do an
update just yet as we've been busy getting Captain Moo Moo's students
up to scratch, so a lot of work and research has been done, but
nothing really concrete to tell!

But because of all the research done, we now have a reasonable idea
of how everything is structured, and what needs doing. Most of the
code is platform independent - we really only have to worry about the
areas that contact the underlying OS. The three main areas where this
happens, are the NSPR, XPCOM and XUL.

So far the NSPR is basically complete - it may need some extra work
adding or tweaking it. XPCOM needs platform specific code done in
assembler, mainly specifying how an OS passes it's parameters to
functions - I have some assembler experience, so with a little help
it shouldn't be too hard. The other major hurdle is the GUI - more
work will need to be done on GTK-MUI. But what we'll try first, is to
compile Amizilla with the X11 GUI option, and use the Xami X-Server,
and see if that works. If it does work, it'll probably be slow, but
good to test the system! We may also look at a native XUL layer using
MUI, or possibly a direct MUI layer.

I'll be setting up a cross-compiling environment soon to see if I can
get an exe compiling and go from there. I've been mucking around with
AmiDevCPP- but can't seem to get it's shell environment working to
compile C++ apps (needed for the `configure' script (which creates
the makefiles)), so have installed Cygwin instead.

Oli has completed the MUI-GTK project with 77 Functions being done,
which covers a lot of the basic functions. Mozilla requires around
230 GTK functions, but that's for the entire Suite - Firefox may
need a lot less. He has built GTK-MUI based on a real GLib and also
converted most of the GTK-MUI widgets to "real" GLib objects. Also
he has inserted a GtkMui class into the structure which hides all
GTK-MUI private properties, so you can (nearly allways) use the
original GTK includes and all private data is hidden from the GTK
application.

GTK native:

GObject
|
GtkObject
   +GtkWidget
   etc

Oli's Structure:

GObject
|
GtkMui
|
GtkObject
   + GtkWidget
   etc

He's also ported GLib to AROS, and a couple of other devs have ported
it to OS4 and MorphOS - they're in the process of restructuring all
the code, so it will fit into one source tree.

The students are getting the hang of the Amiga OS and GCC, and
starting to get into the Mozilla code and GTK etc. We now have only
four students working on the projects, as a couple of the projects
were too similar in specification for Kings' College - Captain Moo
Moo has given them other projects , like porting the Allegro game
library to OS4, and documenting the UAE source code.

Of the students working on Amizilla: One is working on porting the
needed GTK functions to intuition/MUI. One is helping Oli with his
GTK-MUI project. One is working on XPCOM and adding an Arexx port to
Amizilla. And the last one is working on the NSPR, getting Amizilla
working with an X11 GUI, and porting Amizilla to AROS (and maybe
MorphOS)

Captain Moo Moo's students are no longer doing a GTK-Reaction layer,
as the students found it too hard to get enough documentation,
examples and help on Reaction. :/ Instead, they'll be helping Oli on
the GTK-MUI project. The good news is that someone else has said
they will have a go at doing one - but gives no promises at this
time, :) Note: We still intend to try and get an OS4 native version
out at some stage, but it will have to be MUI based initially. Also
I won't be able to get a MOS version out either, as my 'ole Peg 1
died (using WinUAE now), but will be happy to work with devs to get
native versions on MOS and OS4. :) We will also work on an AROS
version as that should be easy to do.

To join the Amizilla list, either send an email to
amizilla-subscribe@yahoogroups.com , or go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amizilla/ (but you need to create a
Yahoo account to do it this way). Also donations to help encourage
more developers, are most welcome too! :) -
http://www.discreetfx.com.AmiZilla.html

And next time, I'd appreciate it if people could please check with me
first, before telling everyone that the project is dead!
Email: amizilla AT ants DOT name.

Ants

Coordinator
AmiZilla Team

@smithy

I'm really looking forward to seeing this - nice work.

Chris

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@smithy

Thanks for the update. I hope you can get it done by the end of the year.

Hans

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@NoelFuller

Thanks for posting the official update from April. Maybe Ants could drop by and tell us if anything has progressed since. Probably not much as these things take time.

Ok, just waiting for one of the IBrowse devs to drop by...

Hans

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Seems to be positive news all around: not just in terms of getting a modern browser, but in attracting developers and forging links across the Amiga-ish platforms.

Things definitely seem to be looking up.

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