OK, I finally managed to get Payback working on OS4.1 on my Sam440 - both 68k & WOS versions! My problems appear to be due to some AmigaInput bug(s), as I have to do exactly the following to play Payback:

0. EDIT: Please see post #8 for something I forgot.
1. Boot OS4.1
2. Plug in Competition Pro USB joystick, so that I see the pop-up USB message.
3. For ONE TIME ONLY, I have to use AmigaInput prefs to assign the joystick to Lowlevel "Port 1 - Gamepad". Button mapping (assignment) is optional but allows the joystick to be used. After saving this is remembered, so no need to ever do it again.
4. Start Payback (68k or PPC version).

You might say "that sounds reasonable", until you see what happens if I deviate even slightly from these steps! If I do *any* of the following:

1. Don't give the joystick a Lowlevel assignment (so no CD32 joypad emulation), OR
2. Plug in joystick before OS4.1 boots, OR
3. Don't plug the joystick in at all.

THEN the following always happens:

1. The joystick is never recognised by the game (both 68k & PPC versions), so only keyboard (sort of) works.

2. The 68k version of Payback ignores left/right KEYBOARD presses, except for Space, so I can't change anything - only start a game (by pressing Space, Space, Space). When in-game, the guys arm is permanently raised as if I was holding down the fire button permanently, and the "climb in car" KEYBOARD button does not work.

3. The PPC version of Payback *does* recognise keyboard presses in the menu, so I can choose stuff if I like. But as soon as I try to start the game, it hangs with a DSI error, and Ignoring DSI causes OS4 to freeze (hard reset required).


Please remember that I get none of these problems if I follow the steps give at the top of this post. All in all, it seems to me that AmigaInput's Lowlevel.library emulation has some bugs that upsets Payback badly, and even causes it to crash in the PPC case.

Any suggestions?

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The PPC version gets a Grim Reaper after a few minutes of playing, so can't really play it, but there's no sound anyway, and the 68k version works reasonably well (even if only on a 640x480 FakeNative screen).

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@ChrisH

Here, OS4.0Final, I can play the PPC version ok (except for the sound). It doesn't guru.
The 68k works a little slower, but with sound.

The only Grim Reapers I get are at the beginning and ignoring them works.

@ChrisH

I get the same problems you do with Payback 68k - it seems to be constantly detecting some sort of keypress. I wonder if it's reading the raw keycodes, and the mappings are totally different on the A1? Though I have heard some people say that it works ok...

I haven't tried it with a controller, but I'll get my hands on one and try it - might be a suitable alternative...

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If I use a joystick with AmigaInput as described, then keyboard works! Which is really
stupid, but at least it works.

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Small status update:
I was able to play Payback 68k in two-player mode on my Sam440! One using joystick, the other using keyboard. Although the frame rate dropped a little at times (due to 68k emulation struggling to draw 3D in software for two people), there were no crashes or other problems.

In fact it worked a lot better than on Amithlon, where I had no (lowlevel.library) joystick support, and so had to share the keyboard between two people (which sometimes caused key presses to be ignored due to conflicts).

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Hmmm, OK, I discovered that the mission in City 2 (Los Francos) Level 2 (Remote Control) where you blow-up the apartment block with a bomb (get from top most telephone where you start) causes Payback (68k) to produce a Grim Reaper. BUT the good news is that selecting "Continue Program" lets me continue playing :)

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I forgot to mention a few things in my first post:

1. Make sure you are using Update 7 of Payback. Earlier versions may not work so well, or at all.

2. You need to (a) start PaybackSetup, (b) for Software rendering choose "P96-0:FAKENATIVE:640 x 480", (c) disable Hardware rendering, and (d) click "Save and exit".

3. The standard Payback script runs some stuff that is not needed, and might even cause problems with OS4.1. Specifically it runs "setpatch >nil:" and "general/led dim". These can simply be deleted from the script using NotePad.

4. You NEED to eject the Payback CD before starting Payback. In fact Payback does not need the CD, except for the optional music. EDIT: This only works if the Intro was not installed to the harddisk, otherwise you will have to delete it from the Payback folder, or reinstall without it.

To have the music without forgetting to eject the CD, I am using the following modified Payback script:

Quote:

Info PaybackCD: VOLUMES >Nil: IF NOT WARN Eject CD0: OPEN ENDIF Stack 10000 Run >Nil: Payback.exe Eject CD0: CLOSE

Hint: To edit the Payback script, just drop the Payback icon on AmiDock's NotePad icon.

This script REQUIRES that the Eject command be found in the Payback folder. So you will need to download it, unarchive it, rename "Eject.os4" to "Eject", and then copy it to the Payback folder.

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@ChrisH

What is the benefit of choosing a fakenative mode for software render? I haven't tried that on A1, is there a known (compatibility) difference with Payback on sam vs. AmigaOne?

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@Thematic and @ Thread

My Payback full version still isnt working, its installed successfully. But when one goes into the game, it locks up on the intro sequence, forcing me to reboot my system.

Update 7, ok, will check where to find this.

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@Thematic
For me Payback ONLY works when using the Fakenative screenmode.

@Gebrochen Quote:

But when one goes into the game, it locks up on the intro sequence, forcing me to reboot my system.

That's because you didn't follow all my instructions! You must eject the Payback CD before running Payback, or else you get this problem. Once Payback has started, you can reinsert the CD, if you want to hear the music in-game.

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@ChrisH

I did eject the Payback CD and got the same problem

@Gebrochen

Did you try reinstalling without the intro?

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@ChrisH

I've reinstalled it without the intro.
Your tip about the removing the CD is now valid.

Cheers

@Gebrochen

Try the above, the non PPC version should work fine.

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@TiredofLife Quote:

I've reinstalled it without the intro. Your tip about the removing the CD is now valid.

Thanks. I haven't reinstalled Payback since I first got it on my A1200 (just copied to Amithlon, WinUAE, OS4, etc), so I had forgotten installing the intro to the HD was an option. Will edit my post to correct this.

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