I am reading too many posts like this lately and I disagree because IceWeasel (FireFox port) under Debian on my Samflex runs quite nice and everything on Debian on my system runs slower than on OS4.1u2,... so what are people basing this on

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@klx300r

They're basing it on seeing Firefox run on ill-maintained PCs (whether MacOS, Linux, Windows), and on mental comparisons to "lightweight" (read: feature-poor) browsers on the Amiga.

I think I can wait .5 more seconds for a page to load for the features that Firefox brings.

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@TheDungeonDelver

Having had Chrome at my disposition I don't use IE nor Firefox, because I don't want to wait that extra .5s :p So I don't quite get that feature poor of OWB you're talking about, at lest when comparing with a browser that uses the same core such as chrome I can't say I find it feature poor.

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@pixie

I don't find Chrome really any more useful than Firefox, sorry. It's a throwback, it reminds me of IE3 except it has tabs. I'll take my FF configuration, thanks.

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@TheDungeonDelver

I don't say it is more useful the FF, I say that for what I use it (seeing pages) I serves me well as I see those as fine as I would on FF, yet it does it faster therefore I never went back for a browser that does the same yet slower and with less browser area.

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@pixie

I vote for Chrome as well. I find it a much more enjoyable browsing experience and this comes from someone that has used Firefox since version 1. Chrome on my linux box has incredibly fast load times while Firefox has just become too bloated.

I'm happy to see Firefox come to OS4 but I hope it doesn't stop OWB development. There is always room for choice.

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@TheDungeonDelver

Better engine, faster, more crash proof. Chrome and Safari are better Thank Firefox. Firefox is super modular thanks to plugins and it is pretty cool.

Features are important, who says for example that iBrowse is faster than OWB don't have a clue about OWB web technologies support, like CSS2 and even CSS3!!! Most important thing is technologies support, then browser features.

I don't think TimberWolf will be fast on our system for many reasons:
-Cpu power
-System optimization
-Firefox is not that light
-First release will be alpha/beta

Safari is blazing fast on Macs, Chrome is blazing fast on modern PCs. But is that a problem for us? Nope, TimberWolf as OWB are vital software and in this stage who cares if they are a little slow in loading, scrolling and rendering. Little times ago we were not able to even see a css1 website, a technology that was already out since many many years.

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@TheDungeonDelver

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I think I can wait .5 more seconds for a page to load for the features that Firefox brings.

Like what features? Bear in mind that Chrome now has an extensions framework.

OK so you prefer Firefox, but I don't know why you're rubbishing Chrome, saying it's a throwback and that it reminds you of IE3! It's a bit over-the-top and I'd be surprised if you could back up any of those statements with actual features.

I personally use a Chromium nightly build on the Mac. I have XMarks, ForecastFox and AdBlock installed and it works great for me.

Chris

@clebin

Indeed, you can have AdBlock, userscript, plugins and many other things in webkit-based browsers too. The hype behing firefox is funny.

@klx300r

I think some people question whether Firefox is the most Amiga-like solution, and a suitable for default browser given the ideals about small, efficient application which many hold to be one of the key strengths of the Amiga.

Other browsers are springing up that fit better, and other projects like Haiku are moving in a completely different direction.

I'm not necessarily in a position to judge, but some of the reasoning given doesn't hold up, like touting the advantages of bringing Mozilla's software platform to Amiga. That's a bogus argument to me.

EDIT: removed the reference to Hyperion - I know this is a spare-time project by the developers. I'm guessing it's intended to become default unless they say otherwise...

Chris

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@clebin

Pinning an ideology on a computer is stupid. If some have some notion of code purity that can only be fulfilled by ignoring key evolutions in software - even easy, slow targets like open source apps that can be converted - because they've got a "not invented here" syndrome, then all they're going to get from the computing population minus the 980 or so adherents they're currently part of is derision.

As to "nightly builds of this" and "show me what features that", I would direct your attention here to the nearly 12300 addons available for FF. Lastly, I've already got Google prying in to my privacy at every other turn. They can #### off and keep away from my web-browser.

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ikir wrote: @TheDungeonDelver I don't think TimberWolf will be fast on our system for many reasons: -Cpu power -System optimization -Firefox is not that light -First release will be alpha/beta

So basically you don't think the Friedens can get the job done.

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Pinning an ideology on a computer is stupid. If some have some notion of code purity that can only be fulfilled by ignoring key evolutions in software - even easy, slow targets like open source apps that can be converted - because they've got a "not invented here" syndrome, then all they're going to get from the computing population minus the 980 or so adherents they're currently part of is derision.

So applications being small and efficient, integrating and leveraging underlying OS features is just stupidly pinning an ideology on the platform?

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As to "nightly builds of this" and "show me what features that", I would direct your attention here to the nearly 12300 addons available for FF.

How does that back up your statement about Chrome being a throwback and reminding you of IE3? I think you're dismissing my question because you can't answer it.

EDIT: Sadly I can't find a total for available Chrome extensions, but I think this shows a perfectly vibrant developer community that will likely fill your needs, regardless of raw figures: https://chrome.google.com/extensions

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Lastly, I've already got Google prying in to my privacy at every other turn. They can #### off and keep away from my web-browser.

Fair enough, but Google Chrome isn't quite the same as Chromium. Chromium is 100% open-source and you can leave out or add whatever you choose.

Chris

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@klx300r

From my experience on a Mac, Firefox is a dog compared to Safari or Chrome, and I have 8 cores of Intel goodness. It also doesn't render some pages correctly or complains about certificate issues. Maybe it's the Mac implementation though....

Well, the initial question was, why Firefox should be slow on AOS4&Sam when it's not on Debian&Sam. I'm interested in this question as well

It's not a thread about Firefox vs. Chrome. If so, I would say, forget Chrome, forget Firefox. Use Opera! But it's not, so maybe we should stay on topic?

nexus

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@persia

I found Safari better for viewing on demand TV on the Channel 5 website. It was still dog slow but at least it kept in sync with the audio!! But the main issue was the Channel 5 site is far worse than the BBC iPlayer or 4OD so that's the last time I watch 'Flash Forward' online!

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@persia

It's very easy to bash Firefox. We need to remember it arose from very old code and it didn't have chance to be "clean slate start" as Chrome did. Some design choices where made that was reasonable in 2002 but are pain in the bottom now. Firefox engine, XUL, is its blessing and curse.

You can build applications like Songbird, XBMC, Boxee, there was a window manager based on XUL, but at the end of the day you pay for portability and extendability in performance.

Firefox is my powerhorse. I can't really do my work without browser with so much useful extensions. I know Chrome has a plugin framework, but it is still a far cry from what I can do in Firefox. It will get there, but until now I'll stick to slower (and trust me, Firefox on Linux is slowest implementation I've ever seen) browser that makes my work oh-so-easier.

My favorite browser-browser (I need to read something on the web) is still elinks.

I think porting Firefox to OS4 by The Brothers is good idea, even if Fab's OBW would end up ported "as a browser".

a) XUL can bring some new software
b) It's good PR to have Firefox on your system. Firefox is "current, recognizable software".

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@opi

The best, well rounded, and most appropriate response yet.

Firefox is without doubt the best choice for porting a major browser to the Amiga and it is unfair to start suggesting speeds when it it isn't even released.

Still - it makes it that much easier for the Friedens to impress if everyone is expecting it to be slow.

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nexus wrote: Well, the initial question was, why Firefox should be slow on AOS4&Sam when it's not on Debian&Sam. I'm interested in this question as well It's not a thread about Firefox vs. Chrome. If so, I would say, forget Chrome, forget Firefox. Use Opera! But it's not, so maybe we should stay on topic? nexus

Thank You ! I like FireFox and don't care about any other browser and am thankful that it's coming to AmigaOS so please let's try to stick to the topic

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