Well not a fanboy but i'm a big fan. Finally got os4 u4 on my peg2. Really nice commercial packaging and professionally done manual. Having fun with it, though doing manually updates is lame.. built in UAE is awesome and I like the feel and look of os4. However, its killing me the window management without the arrows like Morph..

Ill be writing a mini review soon.

(looks like many of you are eating your words..) *cough* ChrisH

From Jan 30, 2012

@realize

If you haven't already I'd recommend you to check out Filer. It doesn't work properly since update 3 but it should give you an idea of what it can do and it's a nice addon to the Workbench. Offcourse DOpus 4 or 5.11 (or Diskmaster etc) is a good addition as well.

Anyway, congratulations to your purchase! By the sound of it I beleive that you're happy with your decision to finally see what everyone are talking about

@realize

Thanks and glad that Peg2 users are only one that can run and enjoy both MOS and OS4! Good for them ... and thanks to Hyperion. Hope to see MOS 3.x for SAM 460 and X1000 even MOS team is saying they do not plan to do it (sadly)

Looking forward to a review!

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Thanks! Yeah, its cool. I havent used os 4 since u1 . I did MANY installs of it and system build of A1 XE though..

@realize

I see. Well I think that it's come a long way since update 1 fixing most of the little anoying things since then. It's faster, more stable and got some nice additions. Offcourse I love RunInUAE, I'm sure you've seen me writing about it. Really easy to use and makes it feel more like a Commodore Amiga.

Let's see when they do something about Workbench and the windows. Good that there are tools that handles it better meanwhile.

To be honest I was kind of tired of it with update 2 but the improved stability and speed has made a huge difference.

Anyway, have fun! Looking forward to that little review .

@realize

I think ill have to eat up my own words too.

So you took both blue and the red pill :)

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...one of the reasons why *my* avatar pictograms are ...violet/purple...

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Welcome to the red side (again)...

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@realize

What arrows? Please describe what MOS does - maybe we already have a Commodity to do the same. Like "AutoBorderSize", for instance?

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The navigation buttons in directory windows in ambient. Os 4 does not have this

@tonyw
You sometime sounds like you come from other planet, and do not know what os4 have or not :) Its all so much time discussed and redescussed everythere ..

@realize
Btw, os4 devs a bit works on WB itself , but it mostly some minor fixes and some minor new additions. As for me, just adding configurable toolbar at top of WB window (which can be on / off to have pleased all users), where you have "back/forward/root/etc" buttons, + configurable ones .. That will put WB usage on the really different level. Sadly that devs not think about it.

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Yeah, it is very much needed to call os4 "modern" i mean the window management sucks. Same as it was with 3.9!

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Sadly that devs not think about it.

Yup too busy doing drivers from scratch for "alien" hw. So we will end up with all kinds of HW with absolutely no SW which makes NO sense to me. And with the way the user base kisses the asses of the developers they will just take whatever is given to them and be happy..

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The navigation buttons in directory windows in ambient. Os 4 does not have this

nope. workbench in OS4 continues with the spatial metaphor of workbenches past. if you prefer the browser metaphor employed in ambient, filer offers a commodity that lets you use it in the workbench a la opus magellan.

it's a matter of preference. i prefer the spatial metaphor and don't like the browser metaphor. so when using morphOS one of the first things i do is get rid of the toolbar.

different strokes for different folks.

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And with the way the user base kisses the asses of the developers they will just take whatever is given to them and be happy..

Exactly. Thats why being fanboy are hurt the amiga oses more than any kind of vocal haters and critics of os. The last ones at least point on the problems, and do not live in magic tales :)

Something like this can be really good:



Just with different design, and that bar can be on/off + configurable. I do not know, but imho its should't be _that_ hard to implemt. Sure WB can be not prepared for that kind of work, but its anyway need to do today, tomorrow, or after 20 years :)

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different strokes for different folks.

Because of that top-bar with navigation should be on/off, to please and old freaks, and any new customers. Its good that when you want to have modern WB, and when you do not want, you can use it like in 1941 :)

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I think the navigation buttons just take up too much space, when you don't need them so soften anyway, it makes senses when you click on drawer and path changes for windows, not when you click on drawer and the new path is opened in new window like in workbench.

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Exactly. Thats why being fanboy are hurt the amiga oses more than any kind of vocal haters and critics of os. The last ones at least point on the problems, and do not live in magic tales :)

yes but when offering criticism it would be nice if it were both constructive and polite.

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Just with different design, and that bar can be on/off + configurable. I do not know, but imho its should't be _that_ hard to implemt. Sure WB can be not prepared for that kind of work, but its anyway need to do today, tomorrow, or after 20 years :) Because of that top-bar with navigation should be on/off, to please and old freaks, and any new customers. Its good that when you want to have modern WB, and when you do not want, you can use it like in 1941 :)

i suspect any changes to the workbench, other than a significant re-write, would be done via commodities as seen over the past many years. asynchronous file operations, for example, are done via patches. in this way i don't see why we can't graft something like filer onto workbench to make folks happy if that is what they prefer. i'd like the current spatial-oriented setup to be the default, but that should more rightly be determined by users' preferences as measured by their feedback to the OS4 development team.

by the way a browser-based metaphor for navigating the file system shouldn't be confused with modernity. the two aren't related. indeed the earliest attempts at file system navigation in windows, OS/2, solaris, etc. all used a browser/lister metaphor. so one style versus another has little to do with modernity than with popularity.

amiga, atari, and the macintosh used the spatial metaphor. and today OS X doesn't, at least by default. the fact that OS4 did was one of the attractions for me to purchase an amiga NG system in the first place. and even though i'm much 'newer' to the amiga scene than you, i prefer it this way.

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Exactly. Thats why being fanboy are hurt the amiga oses more than any kind of vocal haters and critics of os. The last ones at least point on the problems, and do not live in magic tales :)

You are right i've been saying this for a while too. Thats one thing I love about Morphos community you dont have that problem.

Nice mockup of that window. I mean how hard can it be to get navigation buttons?

@NutsAboutAmiga

Its all of course should be configurable (and size of buttons for toolbar, and color, and backgrounds, and images, and anything else about any pedantic amiga users can think). But at least it will give you freedom to use WB fast when you do not want to messy with 10 wb windowses, just because you need to copy something from something to something. It can be fun 20 years ago just to have all that windowses on screen, but today, seeing all the others oses and see how it all handy, its just must to have.

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* Opens photoshop * Lets have a 'Design Workbench window' competition for the fun of it.

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