Confused on which OWB web browser is best to use for an Amiga OS 4.1u4 system?

I see there is an MUIOWB version 1.9 and then OWB 3.32.

What is the difference between the two?

Confused on why I want one over the other.

Thanks

tj

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Is confusing, but its just because its not port of exactly same edits of OWB.

Would recommend MUI OWB as newer port from MorphOS
Note that it requires AmigaOS 4.1.3 as minimum

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MUIOWB got everything you could think of, almost at least. OWB is really lacking. MUIOWB got a few bugs but I find to be really stable and I can use it for hours without any issues at all. Some things that MUIOWB got are every feature that you could find in IBrowse regarding configuration and it looks similar too. Good download manager, bookmark manager (there's a bug that causes a DSI-error if you try to open a didepanel with bookmarks so avoid it untill it's fixed, you can still access bookmarks from the menu), some code that allows smoother scrolling which you can really see at facebook for example, builtin adblocker. It comes with a nice script that downloads and installs all webfonts for you.

OWB got the most basic functions only and even lacks a download manager meaning that you can download files but there will be no indication as to if it's downloading or when it's completed, you see nothing.

You could always download both and take a look if you're curious though.

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Confused on which OWB web browser is best to use for an Amiga OS 4.1u4 system? I see there is an MUIOWB version 1.9 and then OWB 3.32. What is the difference between the two? Confused on why I want one over the other.

you may find this thread useful. you'll find MUIOWB to be more feature complete and, usually, more performant. the only significant advantage i've found OWB v3.32 offers is having a more responsive UI and faster scrolling.

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straight to the chase use Fab's MUI-OWB as it's by far the superior one. Better yet, try both and judge for yourself as half the fun I have on my miggy is experimenting and mesing around

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Yup, I had already downloaded both on my Sam 440 and also Netsurf but wanted to clarify the differences.

Thanks for the info to all.

Tj

@hotrod

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OWB got the most basic functions only and even lacks a download manager meaning that you can download files but there will be no indication as to if it's downloading or when it's completed, you see nothing.

Yeah this confused the hell out of me when I first installed os4 and used OWB from the install. I didnt know if I dl'd files or not.. where do they go?

How odd.. and someone collected a bounty for that ?

Mui OWB seems to be the way to go. Hopefully they will be able to get it closer to Fab's real version.

MUI-OWB of course as it has much more features inluded download manager

@realize

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How odd.. and someone collected a bounty for that ?

Not directly, there was never a bounty for RA-OWB. When one of the Firefox ones was disbanded, people were asked if they wanted their money back, or for it to go to Joerg (OWB) or me (NetSurf). Anybody who didn't specify went into a pool that got split 50/50.

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@amigasociety
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I see there is an MUIOWB version 1.9 and then OWB 3.32.

Similar name, both based on Origyn/Webkit - but in the end they are two different browsers. Just use both - I can't rember anytime with my Amiga's when I didn't use at least two different web browsers for different tasks...

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the only significant advantage i've found OWB v3.32 offers is having a more responsive UI and faster scrolling.

RA OWB is still my 99% browser - due to your mentioned "only" reasons. Further it is smoother (MUI OWB always has long "I do and show nothing periods" while surfing) and the font rendering is faaaar better with RA OWB. I haven't used MUI OWB since weeks, I must admit. But this are only my personal preferences...

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MUI-OWB is much more feature complete, as ppl already said.

(RA) OWB has a few distinct advantages, specifically, it allows a special form of font rendering where MUI-OWB just shows a blank page with no text. http://yr.no is a good example. That site cannot be used at all in MUI-OWB due to a special CSS feature or something.

Also, my bank refuses to log me in with MUI-OWB because of some sequrity failure, but it works fine in (RA)OWB.

So for me, I always use MUI-OWB unless I come across a site that fails, then I try (RA)OWB to see if it works.

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If your mother language has special characters (not plain latin alphabet) and you want to post something or even search google, you`ll just have to use OWB.

I use both (like the Voyager/Ibrowse days). Run your tests....

Last edited by Cass on 01-Feb-2012 at 10:11 AM.

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Without a doubt MUI-OWB. This is a browser with fully featured GUI like a modern IBrowse.

The Reaction OWB is a web rendering engine which works but is not that good to use.

In fact until MUI-OWB came along I still used IBrowse in preference to the old OWB.

My NAS drive is not working with MUI-OWB, also tested it on OWB on MorphOS and it didnt work there either.

It works fine in OWB (Reaction one).

There are other things aswell, if youre really curios u can always use both , that said i have found MUI-OWB to be unstable :( . not had a single crash with OWB yet.

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MUI OWB always has long "I do and show nothing periods

Strange that was always one of the problems I had with the Reaction version. It would just hang for ages doing nothing.

Probably part of Webkit as MUI-OWB does it too but not as much nor for as long.

In MUI-OWB you can increase the number of active coinnections which helps a lot when something gets stuck.

@eliyahu
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the only significant advantage i've found OWB v3.32 offers is having a more responsive UI and faster scrolling.

Considering update 4 made MUIOWB faster, it's clear the bottleneck is in the OS graphic drivers or P96. It just happens that RAOWB and MUIOWB use different system calls to blit, one of them that was made much faster in latest update.

As for the responsive UI, if MUIOWB had threaded CURL like it has on MorphOS, you wouldn't have UI freezes (except when some javascript script busy loops, but it's another story, and it's just the same with Reaction OWB anyway). I'm not even sure if RA-OWB actually has threaded CURL or not. I think one version had it, but it had issues with it (like busy looping when closing or something).

@ch05e90

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Further it is smoother (MUI OWB always has long "I do and show nothing periods" while surfing) and the font rendering is faaaar better with RA OWB.

Same as above. And regarding font rendering, i suspect you don't have the correct fonts, or that the fontconfig port on OS4 has an issue. IIRC it doesn't use the fontconfig config file, needed to have proper rendering.

@Cass

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If your mother language has special characters (not plain latin alphabet) and you want to post something or even search google, you`ll just have to use OWB

That's a porting issue. MUIOWB support encoding and input properly.

@Deniil715

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(RA) OWB has a few distinct advantages, specifically, it allows a special form of font rendering where MUI-OWB just shows a blank page with no text. http://yr.no is a good example. That site cannot be used at all in MUI-OWB due to a special CSS feature or something. Also, my bank refuses to log me in with MUI-OWB because of some sequrity failure, but it works fine in (RA)OWB.

It's up to the freetype font backend. It's quite easy to make yr.no display, by forwarding the complex rendering mode to the simple one (even if it means ignoring ligatures and such). RA-OWB basically uses the "simple" one for all. Current versions of OWB/Odyssey display your site.

What kind of security failure about your bank? If webkit whines about it, it certainly has a good reason to, but it would also be easy to disable it.

@Toaks

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My NAS drive is not working with MUI-OWB, also tested it on OWB on MorphOS and it didnt work there either.

I'd be curious to see about this one, really.
Regarding stability, i have one month uptime with Odyssey, currently. :)

Last edited by Fab on 01-Feb-2012 at 12:34 PM.

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As for the responsive UI, if MUIOWB had threaded CURL like it has on MorphOS, you wouldn't have UI freezes (except when some javascript script busy loops, but it's another story, and it's just the same with Reaction OWB anyway). I'm not even sure if RA-OWB actually has threaded CURL or not. I think one version had it, but it had issues with it (like busy looping when closing or something).

Threaded CURL just crashes bsdsocket.library. I would be very interested to see your port as I believe you ripped out all the pthreads code. Could you upload the source somewhere or - better - send it to the maintainers as patches so all new versions will get them?

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MUI-OWB although the first time I start it takes ages as it loads the fonts everytime...Any ideas?

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