Power2People seems to offer a very nice bounty model, that results in quite a lot of productivity and donors, as well as open sourced end results. Naturaly, most of bounties are AROS related but its not anti AmigaOS 4 either.

This is how model works

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Hi, we do not actively seek out projects. We rely on community members such as yourself to go out, find out what project might be interesting and then come up with a specific bounty description that we can publish on our website. We furthermore rely on community members to eventually test the project results and let us know whether the bounty goals have been sufficiently fulfilled. All we do is: Review your bounty description to see if it complies with our rules (open source) and whether it is specific enough from a legal perspective. Publish the project. Review developer applications. Process donations. Pay out sums. Whenever we receive a new bounty proposal, we usually ask whether it has been discussed on a community website like aros-exec.org or amigaworld.net before. In our experience, forum feedback helps greatly to improve project descriptions and gauge interest from potential donors.

Any ideas which Amiga Bounty could be submitted to P2P?
What kind of description?
http://www.power2people.org/

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@vox

Or how to revive bounty systems and make it more realistic and productive?

Some ideas expressed before as needs:
- Porting HP LaserJet / modern ink jet drivers (at least for some models)
- WarpOS support for SAM 440 / SAM 460 / X1000
- EXT 3/4 and NTFS drivers for AROS - MorphOS - AOS4
- Any suggested small bounty that has never gone assigned over at AmigaBounty,net http://www.amigabounty.net/?function=listbystatus&status=0

I like the idea if coders are community paid, result should be open source.

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@vox

then you would have to demand open sourcing timberwolf or os4, as it is claimed that paying for those you support the developers ;). i think you can guess what i say, if you want consequently open source, then aros is the choice. sticking with os4 i suppose you will have to accept the given policy except maybe for some minor exceptions.

@wawa

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then you would have to demand open sourcing timberwolf or os4, as it is claimed that paying for those you support the developers ;). i think you can guess what i say, if you want consequently open source, then aros is the choice. sticking with os4 i suppose you will have to accept the given policy except maybe for some minor exceptions.

Well would support that if that would be on table. TW can be open sourced only if Hyperion gives up on it, as well as OS 4 but that does not guarantee development.

Idea is to see what can be done meanwhile as A-EON supported developers and OS4 Team tend to neglect those small and valuable things under high priority of their own agenda.

Also, having finally paypal in my country has left me seeing no open bounties at Amiga bounty.
So I kick in slow, first supporting AW.net, Amigans.net next month and then in small whatever I do find valuable of OS4 software developers.

But would love to see some brave and skilled people like Huno for games, JIT UAE and Java developers that do their job

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@vox

Closed source does not guarantee development either (how you can see on countless examples where the authors with their sources left the scene) and Timberwolf is not really that much in development since the bounty was paid (at least what i read in the last months)

@vox

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Well would support that if that would be on table.

i wasnt seriously proposing that. i realize it is impossible.

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TW can be open sourced only if Hyperion gives up on it, as well as OS 4 but that does not guarantee development.

open sourcing doesnt guarantee anything, alright, it only makes it possible.

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Idea is to see what can be done meanwhile as A-EON supported developers and OS4 Team tend to neglect those small and valuable things under high priority of their own agenda.

bounties can never be a full reward in our community, we are too few, they only can be a partial encouragement. perhaps a-eon disposes of enough funds as to actually pay the developers, but i dont think that the money is the most significant part of the issue. the problem is not to find ideas for the bounties but to whom to assign them. as we see from trevors last blog post some parts of development have to be postponed in order to give way for higher priority tasks. thats because all these tasks are repeatedly assigned to the same people and stack upon each other more and more. i have already mentioned that problem as the timberwolf alpha release been postponed again and again. my point was taken as trolling and the argument against was, that this doesnt interfere with other os4 task as this is a "private project, done in free time". isnt that blatantly ignoring human limited capacities for work?

@vox

as I said to get more games we need more 3D-Engines that are widely used by developers. To get more applications more "dependencies" must be ported f.e. from Linux world. That could be tasks for bounties.

@OlafS25

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Closed source does not guarantee development either (how you can see on countless examples where the authors with their sources left the scene) and Timberwolf is not really that much in development since the bounty was paid (at least what i read in the last months)

True, I see latest OWB morphos port could be great candidate meanwhile we wait
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37801&forum=14#709784

However, it doesn‚t qualify for P2P as no open source.

But is it possible to get the permission and set up a bounty?

Or MOS users will enjoy their superiority in browser field

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@wawa

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bounties can never be a full reward in our community, we are too few, they only can be a partial encouragement. perhaps a-eon disposes of enough funds as to actually pay the developers, but i dont think that the money is the most significant part of the issue. the problem is not to find ideas for the bounties but to whom to assign them. as we see from trevors last blog post some parts of development have to be postponed in order to give way for higher priority tasks. thats because all these tasks are repeatedly assigned to the same people and stack upon each other more and more. i have already mentioned that problem as the timberwolf alpha release been postponed again and again. my point was taken as trolling and the argument against was, that this doesnt interfere with other os4 task as this is a "private project, done in free time". isnt that blatantly ignoring human limited capacities for work?

Agreed bigest problem is lack of skilled developers. Not only OS4, to some extent MOS and AROS too. That is why only feasible solution would be mixed property AmigaOS 5

Well, way it goes, both OO and TW are on longer stick then OS 4.2

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as I said to get more games we need more 3D-Engines that are widely used by developers. To get more applications more "dependencies" must be ported f.e. from Linux world. That could be tasks for bounties.

Some are done, but what is open source and most frequently needed for Linux ports?

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@vox

I can remember that it was discussed on amigans already. Fab does not want to publish his sources (as would be necessary for power2people) so OWB is more "closed source" than "open source". So it is not suited.

@vox

Regarding printing support... terminills is already porting (almost finished) of gutenprint and he wants it to work on AmigaOS too so I think modern printing support will be solved in near future

"EXT 3/4 and NTFS"

that would certainly be interesting, I believe there is some NTFS support in AROS already but that must be further investigated

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@OlafS25
there is a 68k EXT2/3 and NTFS, I dont know if it work also for EXT4,
EXT2/3 work both reading and writing, NTFS read only, albeit being 68k
they work well and once you have installed them, all is transparent on AOS4

@pvanni

thanx

@vox

one thing I have just thought of is a update and more modern AHI implementation that would certainly be useful for all platforms including 68k and all NG platforms (do not know the situation on MorphOS)

@OlafS25

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eXtream++site:amigaworld.net

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@Boot_WB

I only find old references. Is it closed source or opensource and for which platforms? If it is closed source it is not of much value because it cannot extended. And a updated version of AHI would be good because most applications or games use it already.

btw there is a thread from 2008 discussing if Hyperion has added something to hinder OS4 software to run with os4emu on MorphOS or not and also mentioned OS4 that does not run on AmigaOS. The sad thing is that the parties involved never understood how important it is to offer a maximum market size for software developers and not making it as difficult (and thus time-consuming and expensive) to support the different platforms.

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@vox

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Agreed bigest problem is lack of skilled developers. Not only OS4, to some extent MOS and AROS too.

+1

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That is why only feasible solution would be mixed property AmigaOS 5

dont give a damn if it ever happens, for me its like valhalla.

on the plus side on the contrary to what people complain about on moo, im almost convinced that djnick was given his sam alright if he has taken care of os4 site visuals prior to that. it may be not of a groundbreaking importance, but still an accurately looking site is sure a gain, and if someone takes care of it, it removes the duty from the actual developers (whether he uses his sam for it or not is of no importance actually). in which case it substitutes a bounty for actual developments to certain extent, and such a service costs money. summarizing i consider it alright to use bounty system in accordance with the majority of contributors to reward work done even in the past. kas1e has given that explanations, that have not been openly stated for whatever reason, in not very kind words but i think he might have been right all along.

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@wawa

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on the plus side on the contrary to what people complain about on moo, im almost convinced that djnick was given his sam alright if he has taken care of os4 site visuals prior to that. it may be not of a groundbreaking importance, but still an accurately looking site is sure a gain, and if someone takes care of it, it removes the duty from the actual developers (whether he uses his sam for it or not is of no importance actually). in which case it substitutes a bounty for actual developments to certain extent, and such a service costs money. summarizing i consider it alright to use bounty system in accordance with the majority of contributors to reward work done even in the past. kas1e has given that explanations, that have not been openly stated for whatever reason, in not very kind words but i think he might have been right all along.

Well, he is still open to any gfx/sound work that does not relate to coding. If you have actual task, do not hesitate to contact him.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=738410&postcount=7
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6783#90204

This is not really related to what I wanted to say here, but nevermind, its overall related to how bounty system could improve.

While DJ Nick could do what he did so far ( minus AmigaOS theme) without the board,
the idea was to have him back to use of AmigaOS too, and that is no lie.

If there would be a dire need for some real coder to need a SAM there is a success
bounty for 2 loaner SAM 440s as well as surely both DJ Nick and I would contribute
back in money to such bounty. Sadly, there is none.

@all

Has anyone tested Aminet EXT3 68k and NTFS read only on OS4 and MOS?

Any ideas of any open source software that could go to a bounty?

PayPal came to Serbia, and there seems no bounties to support

Surely, PPC Huno and Amigasoft and such guys will get small donations next month for me as a start, but P2P seems to be real nice thing to use as proven and good system, but sadly it is related only to open source (or gladly, depending on point of view)

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@OlafS25

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Regarding printing support... terminills is already porting (almost finished) of gutenprint and he wants it to work on AmigaOS too so I think modern printing support will be solved in near future

Which printers does it cover?

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