hi there.

HELP!

i just got a brand new radeon 9250 (HIS) card. it is only a 64bit one - but well...

problem:
my a1 does not boot with that card (i've been using a radeon 8500le without problems)
i switch on and after 2-3 seconds the a1 reboots again ... and so on...

i captured the serial output but it does not really tell anything special. i tested the card in the pc i'm typing from now and there the card works fine.
again, it is a "HIS Radeon 9250" and the package tells me it is agp 2x/4x8x compatible.

any idea? i have seen severyl people using a 9250 so it sould work fine - also rogue has one.

here is the serial output:

U-Boot 1.1.1 (Mar  3 2005 - 16:42:53), Build: 03/03/05                                                      

CPU:   MPC7455 v2.1 @ 800 MHz                             
Board: AmigaOne               
DRAM:     
Information for SIMM bank 0:                            
Number of banks: 2                  
Number of row addresses: 13                           
Number of coumns addresses: 10                              
SIMM is registered                  
Supported burst lenghts: 8 4 2 1 PAGE                                     
Supported CAS latencies: CAS 3 CAS 2                                    
RAS to CAS latency: 3
Precharge latency: 3
SDRAM highest CAS latency: 750
SDRAM 2nd highest CAS latency: 1000
SDRAM data width: 8
Auto Refresh supported
Refresh time: 1042 clocks
Bank 0 size: 256 MB
Bank 1 size: 256 MB

Slot 1: vacant
DIMM0_B0_SCR0 = 0x00e78f00
DIMM0_B1_SCR0 = 0x00e78f00
DIMM0_B2_SCR0 = 0x00678f00
DIMM0_B3_SCR0 = 0x00678f00
Using CAS 3 (slow)
DRAM_GCR0 = 0x00550400
Refresh set to 2083 clocks, auto refresh on
DRAM_REFRESH0 = 0x00019823
Mode bank 0: 0x00008032
Mode bank 1: 0x00008032
512 MB
FLASH:  0 kB
VGA:   0 ..           
In:    serial             
Out:   serial             
Err:   serial 

Last edited by MichaelMerkel on 04-Mar-2006 at 01:50 PM.
Last edited by MichaelMerkel on 02-Mar-2006 at 08:41 PM.

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@MichaelMerkel

I have seen this recently with a number of very new PCI and AGP cards.
I don't know why but there seems to be a change in the new ones.
They just don't work in the XE machines havn't tested them in the micro.
PCI cards that is.

I suspect that the newer cards are either drawing all their power from the 3.3 volt bus and it cant take it. or they are connecting a bus the older cards didn't.

This is a recent phenom and I don't understand it.
I have noticed older PC's also suffer from this problem.
There was no change in the specs as far as I know.

Yet the very new cards behave badly in older machines and the XE

Kgrach

@MichaelMerkel

Erm, is the card in properly?
I had problems with installing my one, and in the end the card was not fixed in the slot correctly.

Just a thought

Rude!

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Quote:

Rudei wrote: @MichaelMerkel Erm, is the card in properly?

yes it is. that was the very first i checked - even before i tried it

well, if kgrach is right - then we have a problem in getting new cards, haven't we?
i have no problem in selling the card and getting another one (a 9000 for example) - but then i may get the same problem again.

byebye...

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@MichaelMerkel

Quote:

well, if kgrach is right - then we have a problem in getting new cards, haven't we?

First time I heard about this problem. I have a Connect3D Radeon 9250 here and no problems with it.

Can you try the card in a different machine (PC) ti see if it isn't the card that is broken?

Note also that there will always be cards that do not init properly, but as it looks from your log the card did already pass through the init sequence...?

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Quote:

i have no problem in selling the card and getting another one (a 9000 for example) - but then i may get the same problem again.

The only thing I can say is that I've been using a HIS RADEON 9000 without problems for years (I didn't bother checking the 3D features, though).

saimo

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Speaking of graphic cards, I'd like someone from the "inside" to give me sugestion:

I have a Radeon 7000, but would like to spruce my system up a bit. What gfx card should I buy? Nothing too expensive, if possible. I just wanted to make sure it's one of the cards supported in the future.
Recently saw a Radeon 9250, for about 50 euro, which is financially ok for me.

I've read many different opinions, some contradictory, so a definitive, "supported by Hyperion" tip would be welcome! ;)

@Rogue
Quote:

First time I heard about this problem. I have a Connect3D Radeon 9250 here and no problems with it.

that's actually one reason i bought the card. i read that the development chief is using a 9250

Quote:

Can you try the card in a different machine (PC) ti see if it isn't the card that is broken?

already did so (see my first message). the card works ok in our pc machine.

Quote:

Note also that there will always be cards that do not init properly, but as it looks from your log the card did already pass through the init sequence...?

strange - isn't it...

maybe the card initialization is smth different now? would it help you to actually have this card in your machine? i'm willing to send it out to you for testing if you want - as i have no need for the card in its current state
in that case please contact me privately.

byebye...

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@saimo

Quote:

saimo wrote: @MichaelMerkel Quote: i have no problem in selling the card and getting another one (a 9000 for example) - but then i may get the same problem again. The only thing I can say is that I've been using a HIS RADEON 9000 without problems for years (I didn't bother checking the 3D features, though).

well, kgrach idea is that newer cards have these sort of problems.
my now 5(?) years old radeon8500le works great in 2d mode. but as 3d maybe never will work i decided to go for a "better" card. and the 9250 even has passive cooling which makes the a1 more silent - would make if it worked.

byebye...

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Quote:

well, kgrach idea is that newer cards have these sort of problems.

Oh, well, actually I only wanted to report that my HIS card works, since I saw you mentioned both HIS and RADEON 9000.

Quote:

my now 5(?) years old radeon8500le works great in 2d mode. but as 3d maybe never will work i decided to go for a "better" card. and the 9250 even has passive cooling which makes the a1 more silent - would make if it worked.

My card does not need a fan as well

saimo

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@all

guess what - the aone now boots with that card! yipieh...

the problem was:
i had a scsi card put into the a1 (for testing smth in linux). *that* was the problem. now i removed it and - voilá - it now boots.

BUT:
no warp3d?!

i tried warpview. if i start it and try to load a picture i get a window telling me "ERROR: No Warp3D driver available!!!"

what is that?? upadte4 is installed (clean). what else do i need?

byebye...

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@MichaelMerkel
Well a number of things could have gone wrong

tjek the Warp3D setup, eg. is there a W3D_R200.library in libs:Warp3D/HWdrivers?.

do you use P96mode?, tjek if the new card have attached the settings in prefs/piccasso96Mode prefs program.

is there a Warp3d.library in libs: ?

tjek that there is no Warp3D thing (could have been set by other programs) in ENV-Archive: or in the Sys drawer in ENV-archive:

other than that, try some other programs.

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Quote:

tjek the Warp3D setup, eg. is there a W3D_R200.library in libs:Warp3D/HWdrivers?.

yes
6.WorkBench:Libs> ls Warp3D/HWdrivers/
W3D_Avenger.library W3D_Napalm.library W3D_R200.library W3D_Radeon.library

Quote:

do you use P96mode?

no

Quote:

is there a Warp3d.library in libs: ?

yes
Warp3D.library 51.6 (16.12.2005)
Warp3DPPC.library 4.2 (09.03.2005)
both from upd#4 of course.

Quote:

tjek that there is no Warp3D thing (could have been set by other programs) in ENV-Archive: or in the Sys drawer in ENV-archive:

ls envarc:w#?
ls: envarc:w#?: No such file or directory

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other than that, try some other programs.

i tried some. i always get a grim reaper there (amigb demo, glquake, warp3d demos).
the stack trace tells me:

Crash log for task "demo.exe"
Generated by GrimReaper 51.20
Crash occured in module Warp3D.library at address 0x70DD2894
Type of crash: DSI (Data Storage Interrupt) exception

Register dump:
GPR (General Purpose Registers):
   0: 70DD2AA0 02525D70 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000008 01EDDA00 
   8: 0152394C 00000000 02525DE8 00000000 48022048 00000000 FFFFFFFF 00000000 
  16: 01EDFD98 01EDDA4A 01870000 00000000 16050000 16050000 00000280 00000000 
  24: 00000000 14CE0000 00000000 14CE0000 0233D650 00000010 00000280 00000000 


FPR (Floating Point Registers, NaN = Not a Number):
   0:              NaN                0                0                0 
   4:                0                0                0                0 
   8:                0                0                0                0 
  12:             1.75       4.5036e+15                0                0 
  16:                0                0                0                0 
  20:                0                0                0                0 
  24:                0                0                0                0 
  28:                0                0                0                0 

FPSCR (Floating Point Status and Control Register): 0x82024000


SPRs (Special Purpose Registers):
           Machine State (msr) : 0x0000F030
                Condition (cr) : 0x28022044
      Instruction Pointer (ip) : 0x70DD2894
       Xtended Exception (xer) : 0x00000000
                   Count (ctr) : 0x70DD2868
                     Link (lr) : 0x70DD2AA0
            DSI Status (dsisr) : 0x08000000
            Data Address (dar) : 0x00000058



680x0 emulated registers:
DATA: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
ADDR: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
FPU0:                0                0                0                0 
FPU4:                0                0                0                0 



Symbol info:
Instruction pointer 0x70DD2894 belongs to module "Warp3D.library" (HUNK)

Stack trace:
    module LIBS:Warp3D.library at 0x70DD2894 (section 3 @ 0x288C)
    module LIBS:Warp3D.library at 0x70DD2AA0 (section 3 @ 0x2A98)
    module LIBS:Warp3D.library at 0x70DD2E18 (section 3 @ 0x2E10)
    module demo.exe at 0x716B1060 (section 3 @ 0x21058)
    module demo.exe at 0x716B254C (section 3 @ 0x22544)
    module demo.exe at 0x716A6E74 (section 3 @ 0x16E6C)
    module demo.exe at 0x716A8B44 (section 3 @ 0x18B3C)
    module demo.exe at 0x71690354 (section 3 @ 0x34C)
    module demo.exe at 0x716908B0 (section 3 @ 0x8A8)
    native kernel module dos.library.kmod+0x24240
    

PPC disassembly:
 70dd288c: 3f6014ce   lis               r27,5326
 70dd2890: 7d234b78   mr                r3,r9
*70dd2894: 81290058   lwz               r9,88(r9)
 70dd2898: 93810030   stw               r28,48(r1)
 70dd289c: 93a10034   stw               r29,52(r1)

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CPU 
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Hmm. well thats wierd

how about the tooltypes for the radeon driver?

SOFTSPRITE=Yes
IGNOREMASK=Yes
INTERRUPT=Yes? (try with no, should be more compatible)

other than that, i really don´t know!.. i could compile a small program, that just checks the warp3d driver and print the info to a console?

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sep issue to help me get a handle on things

Did you have that SCSI card in your machine with 8500?

Did it work with the 8500?

KGRACH

@LaBodilsen

ok... i found the problem after trying several things. not the gfx card fault - not my fault - but warp3ds fault (imho).

i'm using multiple assigns for several system folder. for libs: i use:

Assign Libs: Programme:Libs SYS:Libs

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@kgrach

Quote:

sep issue to help me get a handle on things Did you have that SCSI card in your machine with 8500? Did it work with the 8500?

yes and yes.

that's why it took a little bit for me to think about it. i was about to remove everything for testing the radeon. well, the first card i tried was a winner (or loser).

byebye...

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Nice one for getting it working

Rude!

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Time to add [SOLVED] to the topic ?

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@MichaelMerkel

I've just bought an ASUS Radeon 9250... Thanks to your thread I began to remove PCI-cards since it didn't boot, nor gave me a picture here either. However I don't have a SCSI-card but I had a network card, SB Live! and the sii 0680 controller. So I removed the network card, didn't work. Then I removed the SB Live! and then it booted!

And crashed when WB came up but I hadn't set the tooltype SOFTSPRITE=Yes. I've done that now but am still using the Radeon 7000 so I shall give it a try soon.

Let's hope that I can get it working with the SB Live! ...