Being known that PowerVixxen can side step the license issue by running along with an A1200, I wonder if such stunt could also be made but regarding EFIKA..

I wonder too if EFIKA with an FPGA (coined as EFIKA II) could use Dennis work. It could bring, hardware wise, the old and the new in just one system, without any space constrains... ditch the A600 mobo, stick and EFIKA II and presto, the same Amiga but brought to present time.

An actual product being delivered...

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@pixie

Ok, so let us know when it can plug INTO an A1200, then. Until then, it's very likely considered 'standalone,' and needs a license.

Would be interesting to see, assuming it ever becomes available, and the FPGA has enough capacity, and can include Dennis' minimig work..

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@wegster

I was talking on the hypotheses of plugin it into the A1200...

BTW, what about ACK licensing their connector to Genesi!? Seriously though, Bplan is in the house and surely they, better then most could do such a connector*..

/me wonders what the minimum requirements would be... is it acessing to roms enough? Is it costum chip sets? Who knows...

*Altought having an FPGA Amiga, having a connector to the real Amiga could be seen as a step backwards...

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I was talking on the hypotheses of plugin it into the A1200...

Seems a long shot.

I don't think anyone would want to have to put up with any legal backlash that could come from Amiga Inc. if anyone tried to 'side-step' anything.

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I don't think anyone would want to have to put up with any legal backlash that could come from Amiga Inc. if anyone tried to 'side-step' anything.

Yeah, because noone wants to fight a company that 0-20 in the legal arena, most of them by default.
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pixie wrote: @wegster I was talking on the hypotheses of plugin it into the A1200...

Hrm, I saw this:
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ditch the A600 mobo, stick and EFIKA II and presto, the same Amiga but brought to present time.

Which doesn't read as 'plugin,' does it?

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/me wonders what the minimum requirements would be... is it acessing to roms enough? Is it costum chip sets? Who knows...

Dunno. As of yet, I don't know we've 'proven' that theory (not needing a license) definitively, as there remains no product. Short of seeing that happen with 'no repercussions,' I guess the only liklihood of determing ig that's 100% fact is Hyperion?

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BTW, what about ACK licensing their connector to Genesi!?

Adam said he got them from Jens, although I'm sure bPlan could source them in the event this is valid without a license, but then, they would still need someone to port OS4 to it...even if 'porting' might work out to a few drivers for the most part...? Adam at least has source CVS access and evidently was or is doing his own code..

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Tigger wrote: Quote: I don't think anyone would want to have to put up with any legal backlash that could come from Amiga Inc. if anyone tried to 'side-step' anything. Yeah, because noone wants to fight a company that 0-20 in the legal arena, most of them by default. -Tig

Heh..I wouldn't want to commit time and money to a project without some 'clarity' surrounding the issue, anyways..which of course, I don't think we have?

Hyperion or ACK....confirm/deny? (or of course, Fleecy or Bill, or Ray./HMetal..feel free)

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@pixie

Efika as a PowerVixen replacement is not going to happen. But your thought of the "Mini-Mig" on the Efika is kind of interesting. However, the mini-mig design relies on a real 68000 CPU being on board. There exists 68k cores for the Cyclone-II FPGA (used on the Efika), but I guess putting a CPU in the FPGA won't leave much room for the rest of the goodies? Maybe especially so on the Cyclone-II, since that is not exactly the highest density FPGA but has its focus on low cost instead ...

(BTW, I think the idea is to bring OS4 to the Efika through the re-opened legal process instead. Wonder if they have got a reply from the judge yet?)

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Being known that PowerVixxen can side step the license issue by running along with an A1200, I wonder if such stunt could also be made but regarding EFIKA..

Only then,
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I wonder too if EFIKA with an FPGA (coined as EFIKA II) could use Dennis work. (...)

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@takemehomegrandma

I just want something portable, whats the formfactor of the efika board and is anyone going to make something I can bring along with me.

Just being tired of never having the time to use my A1 at home, need to be able to bring the Amy with me

I allready thought of the combination of the FPGA on the Efika and the minimig, but I guess that would be hard to get really usable

A portable device running MOS/OS4, featuring the minimig would get me to buy a couple in a split second.

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Dont you know they only endorse vapour technology. Not tried and true known good tech like the pegasos. I mean its not like it was made by ex amiga guys or anything.. LOL (Phase 5) The studity must stop here. The war is over.

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Wonder if they have got a reply from the judge yet?

Don't tell us Genesi went back for another beating? (they only won by default)

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@ssolie

A beating? Do you even know of what you speak? Do you even know what the case entails? Ainc is the one getting the beating for violation of contract.

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Both of you, stop. This isn't yet another thread about Genesi or AInc, or court cases.

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Troels wrote: @takemehomegrandma I just want something portable, whats the formfactor of the efika board and is anyone going to make something I can bring along with me.

I don't know what form factor it's made in (I am only familiar with the desktop standards, and it's not one of those AFAIK), but it's quite small. Not PDA small, but probably not a great deal bigger either. Look at these pictures (the connectors has been re-arranged though, and an optical digital audio out has been added), this one for instance. Look at the details, such as the serial and network connectors, and the proportions of those compared to the board itself. Then you may get a hunch.

Also note that there will eventually be three flavors of the Efika. One "bare" design as shown in the pictures. Then the one with an FPGA added. And then a third, also with FPGA, but where the PCI/AGP-slot is removed and a GPU is added as well. The third one may arrive a little later than the first two though (AFAIK). I don't know if they will all have the same form factor, but there are clearly some empty space on the PCB in the pictures (especially if you remove the PCI slot) so it might be possible ...?

If you try to draw some kind of bottom line conclusion from BBRV's blogs and other posts during the last year or two (ranging from i-pod to wireless communication), you may come to the conclusion that mobility is clearly within their focus. And the Efika focus on low power consumption (besides low cost), which is promising in the context ...

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Just being tired of never having the time to use my A1 at home, need to be able to bring the Amy with me

Too much spare time at work and too much work at your spare time, huh?

@ssolie

You have no reason to be grumpy about the court case. *IF* it would come through (there are no guarantees of course), then it would only mean good things for OS4 and everyone having interest in it.

@takemehomegrandma

I wouldn't put much stock in the court case. So far all we have is BBRV doing some sabre rattling and then... nothing. Last lawsuit there was a lot of activity, but this time either BBRV's lawyers told them it wasn't worth it, or else they decided they didn't want OS4 after all. Considering their tone at the time, I would have guessed they were eager to get the whole thing over quickly, but I'm starting to suspect it was just some tactical marketing to take the wind out of Troika's sails. Well, they needn't have bothered, these guys are quite capable of stalling all on their own it seems.

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to take the wind out of Troika's sails.

I'm sorry, but what wind? And for that matter (to speak of tangible things for a change) - what *sails*?

@pixie

Reality (EFIKA) vs Science Fiction (PV).....