I read plenty of comments about this:

Samantha should be more powerful than a g4 (Better a G5) and it should costs less than 200 euro!

So are you all crazy?

Do you like to be served every day in bed with always ready baby food to suck?

Do you think how much it costs to develop a new motherboard, manifacture it, and put it on the market?

Be reasonable and start thinking quite normal pricing...

I think that this new platform should be placed at Eur 499 starting price.

Bets are open.

He who will guess the price of Samantha I will pay him a cup of neapolitan coffee.

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@Raffaele

There is absolutly nothing wrong with a price of 499, what might be wrong is what you get for it (and what you expected).

So aslong we don't know the exact specs, the quality of the HW, the quality of the support and not even the form-factor of the HW all discussion are bit futile.

On top of that is the question, wether the HW is targeted as life-support or cure for the Amiga (cos when it's targeted as cure it needs to be rather close to that G5 for 200Euro ).

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@Raffaele

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Do you like to be served every day in bed with always ready baby food to suck?

Sounds like a good idea to me when they also serve beer in baby bottles.

@Kronos

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Kronos wrote: @Raffaele There is absolutly nothing wrong with a price of 499, what might be wrong is what you get for it (and what you expected).

It seems to me that people (at least SOME people) expect too much and at ridicoulous price.

AND EVEN if the price was was low, and the quality was was high, they will find plenty of excuses not to buy it and continue whining with their wintel machines crying at how it was beautyful Amiga.

Ou worst problem It is not the fact that number of Amigan users decrease...

The worst problem is that the number of SERIOUS people in Amiga market decrease!

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@Raffaele

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It seems to me that people (at least SOME people) expect too much and at ridicoulous price.

True, but nothing much to worry about in our market.

Poor boards at exhorbitant prices are sold out every time they become available.

Let's hope the future brings better boards at reasonable prices.

@Raffaele

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The worst problem is that the number of SERIOUS people in Amiga market decrease!

And why is that? Maybe because hardware is not abundant and even when it *is* abundant, it is so frigging expensive that most people can't justify to buy it just as a hobby-computer?
See? You're running in circles.

Last edited by hatschi on 07-Sep-2006 at 04:19 PM.

@Raffaele

If the samantha is a powerful g4 witt a price tag of 499,i'll gladly buy one. Don't think that's expensive.

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@Raffaele

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I think that this new platform should be placed at Eur 499 starting price. Bets are open. He who will guess the price of Samantha I will pay him a cup of neapolitan coffee.

My guess is 699 Eur
PS. i want my coffee warm , i live in Finland.

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@Raffaele

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Powerful than a MAC G5 and less than 200 Euro

No, it will be powerful than a Power5 and it will be free.....er.....not wait they paid you 1000 euro for buy it

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@Raffaele

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It seems to me that people (at least SOME people) expect too much and at ridicoulous price.

Ehm, raffaele..
i said 200 Euro, no other before me :)

You know what i think about new hardware and prices, Amiga or not

even Amiga market is different from other, it needs to change this old rules: Amiga cost more than others!

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@Raffaele

I thought the rumour mill favoured an AMMC 440 cpu for Samantha. That
one is of course more powerfull than a G5 - if the g5 runs at 100
MHz that is...

The 440 is quite comparable to the 603e, but the L1 cache is doubled.
L2 cache is not integrated and the clock reaches up to ~ 650 Mhz IIRC.
The cost of the chip is about 55 - 60 US$ for the EP version at 550
MHz, the 650 MHz version is most likeley around 75 US$. Since there is
not too much other parts needed, a 200 US $ price tag for *volume+
production wouldn't be unrealistic (excl. OS4 copy that is). Anyway I
doubt that there will be something like volume production (with volume
>= 10k units).

Anyway, AFAIK the AMMC 440 is not confirmed yet.

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@Zylesea

There are other things to consider...

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@AmigaBlitter

... which are?

edit: Just read about that UDtech board. Seems reasonable nice (Well
I wouldn't go the G4 route today, but that's another story). A bit
odd is that it has no standard form factor, but anyway - looks
nice. Thing is how nice is it in *reality* and how much will it cost?
But the best I saw for long in the Amiga(sic!)world.

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@Zylesea
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Zylesea wrote: @Raffaele Anyway I doubt that there will be something like volume production (with volume >= 10k units).

Unless you also target other markets (i.e. operating systems) besides OS4 you won't achieve those number for sure...

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@hatschi

I think it's quite possible that at least one of the new amiga models coming out will not be targeted at the broader market (ie it's only going to be an OS4 board); marketing a board in the crowded embedded market can't be too pleasant, and if you farm out manufacturing to someone who normally works with low production runs and has a positive reputation, it probably would make economic sense. Of course, I'm referring to Jens Schoenfed's recent enigmatic announcement that he was going to be kept quite busy doing contract work for someone else. I could be completely wrong, but I think the timing's just too good for it to be a coincidence.

All my dealings with Jens so far have been very positive and I even wrote to him sometime ago suggesting that he get involved and produce a PPC board for OS4, so I would be very interested in finding out which, if any, of the upcoming boards were manufactured by him.

@CodeSmith

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Of course, I'm referring to Jens Schoenfed's recent enigmatic announcement that he was going to be kept quite busy doing contract work for someone else. I could be completely wrong, but I think the timing's just too good for it to be a coincidence

I doubt it, unfortunately. This is the last time he posted on Amiga-related matters that I know of (in German and on amiga-news.de). He is now an ex-member of that site.
Jens got very upset about somebody who planned an Amiga keyboard-adaptor as a small-scale hobby project. You might want to use babelfish to "translate" some parts of his post. As a conclusion, he said that he currently doesn't have *any interest* anymore in doing anything Amiga-related. The A600 turboboards would be readily lying there, but he didn't do any QC yet and is not in the mood for spending money on the flash-part of the boards (which still has to be done). That's why they are "on hold".
He was also talking about selling his complete stock of Amiga parts/items...

Draw your conclusions...

@Seiya

why Apple doesn't change too?

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@hatschi

But isn't that the only that the Amiga community and Amiga hardware/software will prosper if we all follow Jens Schoenfed's footstep. I would say if we ALL in Amigaworld.net did exactly like Jens Schoenfed did, then we can finally say Amiga will prosper be alive and kicking. What do you guys think?

@afxgroup
No, no and no :D

U cannot compare Amiga to Apple, u can compare for example the price of C64 peripherials with the price of Amiga peripherials,u cannot compare "bananas" with "apples" it's too easy