At the very beginning I am to say sorry for introducing yet another x86 thread. (well maybe it is time for http://www.x86amiga.net?

Just recalled this very struggle been fought lately. My point is not to discuss x86 anymore, especially here. There are pros, sure, cons, Hyperion's deemed views on it etc. I just read a great opinion on some other forum convincing me ultimately that this discussion is not much valid.

At least before some other discussion's ended. I say, is it not better to discuss something more reachable, I mean whichever Mac Mini release? MorphOS is coming, maybe some more. There are throngs of PC people but AROS exists and has been for years, see the outcome. I say if we're talking numbers like meet.mngr's (or something) LimeBook - taking so much time and space for it, why not talk about Mac Minis' Amiga future?

I don't know the numbers, should search in the web carefully. But I think PPC Macs are of order 1 000 000. I mean sold, not operational. See when MorphOS is confirmed, Moana exists, just a few steps away, why not seriously considering AOS4 on Mac as a next tremendous milestone, kind of. Just now I started thinking maybe Hyperion wants to see MorphOS Mini sales, also off the Amiga shore. And then maybe it is a matter of a month if MOS hits the number. I mean... I would go that way, too.

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Sooner or later , Amiga will end on x86 architecture...

All the best,

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eXec wrote: @DiskDoctor Sooner or later , Amiga will end on x86 architecture... All the best, D.

I'm not saying it won't. I'm talking about 2009 chat, that's a difference and you have to admit it.

About x86 again... You're sure you're gonna be still alive then? BTW how are you so sure about this x86 babble name? AmiComp (former x86) maybe? 2050? Note: I can talk of anything what happens when I'm dead, Philip K. Dick also had his rights and see what happend...

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x86 soap opera - is it ended, yet?

No, this thread opens up a new season. Are we up to season 10 yet? I've lost count.

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Still at least we've just reached the stage where everything has been said, nothing done, so we can just copy and paste our tired, boring arguments into the threads. Saves time both in posting and reading, bonus!

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It also means that the new season will suck even more than the last one.

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Damn... that link doesnt work...

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Thanks, I wondered what happend

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Hans wrote: @DiskDoctor Quote: x86 soap opera - is it ended, yet? No, this thread opens up a new season. Are we up to season 10 yet? I've lost count. Hans

I'm pretty aware of that. But this time its MINE

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Hans wrote: @Stephen_Robinson It also means that the new season will suck even more than the last one. Hans

Depends on the real topic. I meant to talk about Minis future, as a viable platform. After all these hot discussions you said been watching as anybody, maybe it is better to propose something real instead? The x86 reality is AROS, iMica, unsupported notebooks, not much so far. The facts are known, the rest is just a fantasy. Mac Minis PPC are just coming soon, MorphOS is out there shortly as confirmed I suppose. AmigaOS4 is a pretty mistery here, I mean to me maybe not to Rogue (hope I didn't misspell).

My point:

MorphOS is coming to mini
It is nice to think of some actions over those null or basic, considering the potential whatsoever
Then it is logical to predict Hyperion's reactions provided the actions above succeed or even exceed the assumptions

I mean why discussing such an abstract term which x86 really is, regarding Amiga franchise. Many say that's the chance, a popular hardware to be exploited. Why denying the simple fact that other popular hardware is de facto in the Amiga World already. And what actions should be taken to use it wisely since such things are not much frequent here, according to my studies and reading.

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Who cares. Actually if it does come over, can it set a baseline CPU so it doesn't have to support the cruft of ages past?

I.e., AMD64 (EMT64, x86-64) minimum.

That's not so bad from a CPU architecture purists (i.e., PowerPC > 68k > MC6809 > MOS6502 > i4004 > x86) with the extra registers and so on.

The only other architecture I'm interesting in AmigaOS running is ARM. Then again I think it should have been running on ARM a decade ago competing in the mobile space with EPOC on Psion 5. Of course ineptness and lack of money failed here. Today we could target ARM v7 (Cortex A8) as a baseline.

x86...

For AOS4 it looks like it won't ever be. AmigaOS4 for now looks like it will be relegated to running on the scraps of the industry. By that I mean, using CPUs that were meant for embedded but AmigaOS will recycle those to use as a desktop, new port to no longer in production PegII, possibly port to no longer produced MACs. And for course no laptop/netbook support in site.


For AROS, obviously it already runs on x86. As anyone who has burnt Icaros to a disk and tried it, well, it's getting damn close. I think the iMica might be sign of things to come. Or at least they need to have some 'semi' official sort of supported hardware. i.e. 100% support for a certain mini-itx motherboard, or 100% on the HP Mini1000 netbook, or whatever. But just a line in the sand that says, "Hey, on this MB or this notebook, AROS is 100% go." It feels like kind of a crap shoot a little with what is supported.

MorphOS, not sure what they are doing. I know there is work on the MacMini port, but again, seems like just living on the scraps of the computer world. i.e.See OS4.

Anubis, just plans right now. But I think potential to be a good route. Basically all the benifits of Linux, but in an environment we are use to. ie. Sys: has C, Libs, Devs, Prefs, S, etc etc... Simple boot system of Startup-Sequence, and User-Startup... etc etc...

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Sooner or later amiga will not end on x86 but be killed by x86 :)

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Kicko wrote: @eXec Sooner or later amiga will not end on x86 but be killed by x86 :)

I think it will quite the opposite. People will go, "How come that is SOOOO fast? What it's running on the same hardware I already have!?! How can that be? What? WIndows sucks the chrome off a trailer hitch?"

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amiga will not end on x86 but be killed by x86

you wrong coz amiga wants to run on x86 as amigaOS not Windoz.

if i want to use windoz no one is holding me back (if u get what i mean matey)
so we need that stable x86 market not dead ppc lost and gone with wind.

i wanted to buy a pegii other day but guess what i can not even find one to buy now.
think and re think when something gone wrong with sam where are u going to take that to get it fixed or pay over £100 p&p in uk to send your HW to italy.
so think & think again what you say. unless you are from italy & dont mine running 667mhz
Sam + AOS4 .

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DiskDoctor wrote: I meant to talk about Minis future, as a viable platform.

If that's what you wanted to talk about, then putting X86 in the thread title was a bad idea.

This thread has already progressed to the yawn stage.

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well maybe it is time for http://www.x86amiga.net?

It isn't time, that doesn't work yet.

I have to say when I read it was "x86 soap opera" I thought it was a new release of the Opera browser for PCs called Soap Opera.

Well I had my hopes. That's all I have to say about it now.