Now that the VCF show is end, can i have more info on Sam460, please? I saw everywhere picture and video of the x1000 and this is good. Would be great to have more info on Sam460. For example, the Sam460 where reported to boot from SD card. Any video or picture about this? Speed? Stability? Benchmark?

Thank you

@amitv

It's fast.

I'll probably will put my hands on the 460 next week, not sure.

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the Sam460 where reported to boot from SD card

Yes, it booted from SD card. The boot was quite fast, this is what i've heard.

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@amitv

I saw the Sam460 being used and also used it myself. It seemed very nice in use and was happily downloading and displaying pages is in OWB. They had quite a lot of different apps installed although I didn't.

It seems at least as fast as my AmigaOne G4 1GHz and I had a little play about with Art Effect but managed to crash the system when applying a complex blur effect to one of the stock images. it froze after a soft reboot an then required a hard reset. I'd say that the 460 port of is more stable than the X1000 version but still require a bit of work.

It will be interesting to see how things have progressed in a months time, not sure if the 460 will be on show at Essen.

@Rob

It must be in Essen and in all the Amiga presentation shows around the globe.

Sam is a great system because is the succesor of the Amiga One/Micro Amiga One series and with a good promotion I think it could sell very well.

And Amiga One X1000 is a serious contender even to the rest of the computing arena.

Thanks really is a must to ACube Systems and to A-EON too.

Paradigma that I am now waiting for my new Amiga 1200 to be fixed by AmigaKit when all the people here are talking about the new gen Amiga systems.

Paradigma? No Amiga-Mania hehe...

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@AmigaBlitter

Id like to try and understand this exactly, If one uses an SD card, and the PCI slot for gfx, can one still use the SAM460 with a DVD sata rom?

I ask, as on Acubes website, I read that one can use one or the other but not both, unless I misunderstood this.

Also, anyone know what the biggest available SD card is? 40 gig? etc.

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As I understood, you can only use the build-in PCI-e slot or the the lonely sATA connector on the motherboard, but not both together. So it seems wise to me to use a PCI-e card with more sATA connectors on it. That will leave the other PCI slot free. On the pictures it looks like ACube did it exactly like this.

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@Gebrochen/DrZarkov

From what is on the product page here Sam460ex product page the 460ex has 3 slots:
- 16x PCI-Express (always available)
- PCI 32 bit slot (always available)
- 1x PCI-Express (not available if use on-board SATA)

Pop a racy PCI-Express graphic card in the 16x slot. Why would you consider putting a graphics card in the PCI slot?

If you need more that one SATA connector disable the on-board SATA and pop a cheap PCI-E 1x SATA/multi-io card in the PCI-E 1x slot.

That still leaves your PCI slot free for a second graphic card, a sound card, or whatever else ends up with supported drivers.

If I picked up a Sam460ex I would be popping in a 16x PCI-E card and a 1x PCI-E SATA card right away.


Cheers!

@gregthecanuck

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If I picked up a Sam460ex I would be popping in a 16x PCI-E card and a 1x PCI-E SATA card right away.

Same here.

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Sounds very good!

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@gregthecanuck

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From what is on the product page here Sam460ex product page the 460ex has 3 slots: - 16x PCI-Express (always available) - PCI 32 bit slot (always available) - 1x PCI-Express (not available if use on-board SATA)

Just to clarify the 16x PCI-Express slot will only operate at 4x speeds! Bear that in mind when choosing a graphics card.

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@BigD

Yes you are correct, but I am talking about the physical slots. I would still choose a PCI-Express graphic card and most are 16x cards. ACube did the right thing putting in a 16x slot, even if it only electrically supports a 4x device.

The 4x PCI-E slot has insane bandwidth (4 x 2.5Gbit/s = 10Gbit/s) compared to a high-speed PCI slot (66Mhz x 32bits = 2Gbit/s).

In addition, 16x width doesn't scale linearly as you will see on performance comparisons of 16x cards in 8x and 4x slots.

Here is a good review of a Radeon 5870 scaling down to 8x, 4x and 1x: AMD Radeon HD 5870 PCI-Express Scaling

As shown in this article...
- dropping to 8x reduces performance by about 2%
- dropping to 4x reduces performance by about 5%
- dropping to 1x reduces performance by about 25%

It is truly surprising how little speed is lost, especially when going down to 1x!

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iff i got the sam 460 i would put in gfx in the pci-e slot and
maby a ram harddisk/ssd for swap file and dh0:/"sys", or an cpu card into that pci-e,1x slot iff its gets suportet.


in the pci slot i would but an catweasel. for one purpse only. plug in an amiga cdtv keyboard. thats the only thing the catweasel is good for in my eyes...

@retro

i will rub the bank and go for the x1000
and yes i am gonna plug an cdtv keyboard to it,
i relly hope the reset thing will work on hardcrash to but i have never tryet an catweasel ?? anyone

@BigD

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BigD wrote: @gregthecanuck Quote: From what is on the product page here Sam460ex product page the 460ex has 3 slots: - 16x PCI-Express (always available) - PCI 32 bit slot (always available) - 1x PCI-Express (not available if use on-board SATA) Just to clarify the 16x PCI-Express slot will only operate at 4x speeds! Bear that in mind when choosing a graphics card.

ATI Radeon HD 5770 at PCI-Express X1 (via laptop's ExpressCard 1.0 slot)
My laptop's config

RE5 benchmark with the above setup.

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It will have 12 cores, 16GB RAM, 1 Petabyte HD, 6GB PCI-Express GFX, AmigaOS 6

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just notice something if there is only one SATA2 connection how will you connect a DVD and Hard drive? or will you be force to put a PCI card in for expansion. which I cant say I really like that idea.

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@amitv
The Sam460 demoed did not have L2 cache enabled, so it would be much slower than the final version. With L2 cache enabled, ACube apparently expect it to be UP TO twice as fast as a Sam440 (depending on the program used).

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@amigang

I think it is not so big problem because You can use - I hope - pci-e SATA II controller with for example two ports. Controller what I'm talking about (sil chipset) is cost less than 20e.

Another question: How will the SAM460 perform compared to the 440?

CPU is the same, if I read correctly.

@Krischan76

AMCC 460ex has cache L2 memory. So even if both CPUs have same "clock to clock" speeds - 460ex will work in a more efficient way.
If we only compare clock speed: 733Mhz vs 1066Mhz - that makes a difference of 45%, but with a better RAM bandwitch (1.1 GB/s vs 4.266 GB/s) and a cache L2 - the real difference will be much better.

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