Hello.

I found out that Debian Linux doesn't have flash support in it's browsers. IIRC there is Epiphany browser and Iceweazel installed. The Adobe site doesn't seem to have any PowerPC binaries. Seems only Linux/x86 on Debian or Ubuntu is supported. C'mon there's other PPC hardware out there running Linux right?

Is this posible? The package manager didn't list anything that would help. Would there be a plug in? It did list Konqueror. But that won't install along with other stuff as I get dependency errors all the time.

@Hypex

There is an opensource project called: GNASH
Last time i tried.. it could play youtube videos..
So there is "some" flash support even for non-x86 linux platforms :D

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iPlayer and most other Flash seems to work very nicely in Firefox 3 on Ubuntu 8.1

So far running on a 1 Ghz AMD machine with 512 Meg SDRAM and a 32 Meg Geforce card?

Dont forget, things vary a lot these days because noone wants to code for the standards, just their own little variations on a theme.

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@RodTerl

Hypex is complaining about lack of adobe's flash on non-x86(@32bit only) linuces.
That's true, even on pure 64 bit (kernel+apps) of linux you have to use the gnash or launch 32 bit version of browser with adobe's plugin.

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That's true, even on pure 64 bit (kernel+apps) of linux you have to use the gnash or launch 32 bit version of browser with adobe's plugin.

Not any more! Flash 10 has been ported to 64 bit x86 now. It available from the Adobe Labs download page. I've been using it for a week or so with Opera on 64 bit Debian Lenny.

Still no PPC support though, but Gnash works well enough with YouTube at least.

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I've tried Gnash from Debian testing on AmigaOne PPC linux, but found that it was too slow to view YouTube. If I download the files and play them with mplayer it worked fine.

I've got a G3 800Mhz.

@Gleng

Not even that, before you could use nspluginwrapper to use 32bit-plugins in 64bit-browsers.

@Yarose & dangerman

I've tried to find gnash but the pakage manager didn't have it. Then found it is a Lenny backport and then gnash was found. But it still won't instal las it depends on a Lenny lib! Cripes!! Does gnash work at all on Debian Etch?

I tell ya. I'm getting sick of people having problems with Linux. A lot of people prefer Linux over Windows but on PowerPC it lacks software support for "normal" computer activities. Even hardware support is lacking.

I've had trouble myself since installing Etch. Although that went pretty smoothly. I found out to my dismay that that Gnome is used instead of KDE. I am used to KDE from Woody and want it back! Also Mozilla isn't there, nor is FireFox which I thought was replacing it. but some other browsers with weird names! And I can't download it either because for some reason my package list was messed up after the install. I've been trying to fix it since.

Perhaps it's time I made a Lenny installer since Sam people have it. I'm hoping that can fix all the new Linux troubles I am having.

But, can this gnash thing work at all on Debian Etch?

@Hypex

Have you tried the new KDE 4.x? It's quite errr different to 3.5.

It's also worth mentioning the lack off Open Office 3 for any PPC platforms, I think there's an experimental version for Mac OSX, but it's still in beta.

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you can download the 0.8.5 source code with all dependencies and install it.
it will work

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A lot of people prefer Linux over Windows but on PowerPC it lacks software support for "normal" computer activities. Even hardware support is lacking.

You have to understand that people do not spend resources on a dead platform...

PowerPC as a desktop platform is dead. This is logical some software and hardware drivers are lagging behind... And this is going to get worst.

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@Hypex

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Cripes!! Does gnash work at all on Debian Etch?

Yes, perfectly well. (Well as well gnash works anywhere)

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[quote] I tell ya. I'm getting sick of people having problems with Linux. A lot of people prefer Linux over Windows but on PowerPC it lacks software support for "normal" computer activities. Even hardware support is lacking.

Works fine here. I think you'll find it's the user that's lacking This is Linux. Things aren't always done for you. It's a geek OS

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I've had trouble myself since installing Etch. Although that went pretty smoothly. I found out to my dismay that that Gnome is used instead of KDE. I am used to KDE from Woody and want it back! Also Mozilla isn't there, nor is FireFox which I thought was replacing it. but some other browsers with weird names! And I can't download it either because for some reason my package list was messed up after the install. I've been trying to fix it since.

Okay. Gnome is indeed installed by default. But you can put KDE on if you prefer. Mozilla and Forefox are available but but they are called. IceApe and IceWeasle. This is for copyrgt reasons. Debian is ultra careful about leagal issues. To the point of sillyness IMHO, but they don't wont to get caught out by anything.

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Perhaps it's time I made a Lenny installer since Sam people have it. I'm hoping that can fix all the new Linux troubles I am having.

"Just" do a dist-upgrade via apt if you want lenny. Worked for me. But took a while. I started from Woody, and worked my way up the ladder....

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But, can this gnash thing work at all on Debian Etch?

I think you have to think Linux. You download the source and build it. It builds easily enough. Once you've got all the relavent dev packages.

It's very variable as to what will work, as many sistes use recent flash features. But all the adverts wil show in all their glory

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@Leo

You have to understand that you don't know what you are talking about.

PPC Linux is in active developement, and has a lot of users.

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@broadblues: I know what I'm talking about. Of course there are users, of course it is being developped. But seeing there is no major hardware manufacturer producing, selling, supporting a PPC Desktop computer, support can only be inferior to x86.
This is just logical. This isn't going to change, and PPC will get less and less support. You have to face it.

Why do you think Ubuntu stopped supporting PPC ?

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support can only be inferior to x86.

Support for *all* forms of linux are inferior to x86. That's always been the case. That's a different issue though.

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@Stephen_Robinson

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Have you tried the new KDE 4.x? It's quite errr different to 3.5.

No, the package manager won't let me install it! I'm sure I have seen it elsewhere.

@afxgroup

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you can download the 0.8.5 source code with all dependencies and install it.it will work

Even the Lenny depends? Might be the next shot. Since the files are there somewhere on the internet it does seem over the top.

@Leo

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You have to understand that people do not spend resources on a dead platform...

Don't they just have to compile it for another target? It's not like they are still coding in x86 assembly.

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PowerPC as a desktop platform is dead. This is logical some software and hardware drivers are lagging behind... And this is going to get worst.

Yes but flash has been around for years. And OSX has it. IBrowse has it! No CSS but flash! Surely there is more support for PowerPC Linux than AmigaOS4. Nope! Amiga wins. These days you need it in a web browser. Otherwise your sisters family comes along and wants to know why all the internet games don't work.

Does Linux PPC even have Java in it's browsers? I'm starting to doubt.

@Hypex

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Don't they just have to compile it for another target? It's not like they are still coding in x86 assembly.

I think flash contains a JIT compiler, thats way Adobe is fast, and Gnash is slow.

There are no generic JIT compilers, only JIT for x86 or JIT for PowerPC.

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Works fine here. I think you'll find it's the user that's lacking This is Linux. Things aren't always done for you. It's a geek OS

I know what it is. But the user is sick of editing sources.list by hand and trying to fix it only have to Debian throw it back in his face.

The user also feels that this source list method is outdated as nothing seems to tell Linux that this source is removed and here is it's replacement. And thinks that one always working universal URL should be used where it can check online for sources.

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Okay. Gnome is indeed installed by default. But you can put KDE on if you prefer.

I can't here. The SPM won't install it.

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Mozilla and Forefox are available but but they are called. IceApe and IceWeasle. This is for copyrgt reasons. Debian is ultra careful about leagal issues. To the point of sillyness IMHO, but they don't wont to get caught out by anything.

But, Ubuntu has Firefox, and that is using Debian. So why does that have it? And why was Mozilla allowed in Woody?

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"Just" do a dist-upgrade via apt if you want lenny. Worked for me. But took a while. I started from Woody, and worked my way up the ladder....

Can that work? I've been told you can't do that in Debian. Or it can't be done from the GUI?

In any case, I bet it would fail, everything I try and install usually does.

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I think you have to think Linux. You download the source and build it. It builds easily enough. Once you've got all the relavent dev packages.

Once I've got the what?! I shouldn't need to go to all that trouble. There are packages already there that are built for Etch supposedly. And usually you get told on a website not to even download files by hand. Okay that's different but when I tried to install Etch Gnash it depended on Lenny! It was a backport. So Gnash for PPC exists but my system is too old for that one. Argh!