I've just seen this shocking news;

Times Nasa Article

It seems space exploration has become too expensive for the American Government! This must be the time period where MultiNational Corporations (MNCs) become more powerful than Nation States and hence we will birth the likes of 'Weyland-Yutani' and 'Umbrella Corporation'!!! It's a sad day when America is continuing to invest in its war machine but taking stringent cuts out of its peaceful technology departments!!!

How many Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) can you buy for the equivalent of a Ares I rocket? I think it's sick we are taking such a backwards step. Obama promised change and we've got it! President Bush made mistakes, but nothing on this scale!!!

This is what our future astronauts will end up doing now;

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@BigD

Keep voting folks! Space is the final frontier, not the war in Afghanistan or exploring health care reform! We owe a lot to NASA's endeavours for our new technology and it's a shame Obama will in effect turn it into an ineffectual 'ideas factory'!

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It's a sad day when America is continuing to invest in its war machine

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President Bush made mistakes, but nothing on this scale!!!

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@Zardoz

It wasn't a mistake by George Bush to back up the UN Iraq Resolutions with the threat of force, but it was the UN's fault for creating the resolutions if it had no intention of going to war! The continued investment in UAVs, F-22 Raptors, battle ships, tanks, military satellites etc, while effectively killing NASA is the BIGGEST MISTAKE A PRESIDENT HAS MADE SINCE VIETNAM AND CANCELLING THE APOLLO PROGRAM!!

Obama worship is really doing my nut in! It's great the American people voted for a black man but it's their choice of black man that troubles me!

IMHO the very act of voting for a racial minority or under represented demographic without examining the character, motives and policies behind the man is ridiculously naive and going to cost America dear!

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@BigD

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IMHO the very act of voting for a racial minority or under represented demographic without examining the character, motives and policies behind the man is ridiculously naive and going to cost America dear!

I am no Obama worshipper and I do not like what he's just done to NASA but I do have a very distinct feeling that had Bush been atheist or or any religion other than your own you would have had a very different tolerance level for his actions. And IMHO, the health care reform makes sense.

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@Zardoz

Obama recieved a Nobel Peace based on 7 days service in the oval office. He has the media eating out of his hands and yet he is making some very bad decisions that will have long term effects on the USA.

Bush was a straight talking Texan, who was honest about his intentions, prayed to God for guidance with his cabinet every day, stood up for Marriage as the bedrock of society, fought against abortion and same sex marriages and pretty much tried to make America a better place to live.

Obama instigated the weakening of abortion laws in his first month in office, is now killing off NASA and will no doubt fudge a National Health Care system that is unwieldy and overly expensive.

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Obama recieved a Nobel Peace based on 7 days service in the oval office.

Did I say I'm a fan? Yes, he got a Nobel Peace price for breathing, pretty much.

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Bush was a straight talking Texan, who was honest about his intentions, prayed to God for guidance with his cabinet every day, stood up for Marriage as the bedrock of society, fought against abortion and same sex marriages and pretty much tried to make America a better place to live.

See? I was right.

You weigh everything in politics based on your beliefs.

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Obama instigated the weakening of abortion laws in his first month in office,

Good.

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is now killing off NASA

I wouldn't call $100bn over 5 years to be "killing off", although it's annoying that the moon project is cancelled. Once the Chinese set their eyes on it, it'll be back, I'm sure. The cold war put us on the moon.

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and will no doubt fudge a National Health Care system that is unwieldy and overly expensive.

"No doubt", yeah, ok, so it's far better to have millions of uninsured citizens that drop dead from relatively minor illnesses.... Maybe praying to Christ will save them, in your opinion, but in the real world they will just die.

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@Zardoz

What bugs me is that the hard working scientific and engineering ideals represented by NASA is being replaced by a socialist 'everyone deserves to be looked after irrespective of whether they are prepared to work hard or not' idealism!

If the situation in the UK is anything to go by, our Labour government has continued to undermine hard working middle class individuals with over taxing with no reward for stable married couples. Instead the government buys up Community Housing for young single girls whose parents encourage to get pregnant and dump their partner so that they can get a 'free' house with higher benefits!

America has the 'American Dream' a work and entrepreneurial ethic superior to most of Europe and legal system still centered on its Christian heritage (unlike the UK which dismisses it)!

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Love religion threads....

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If American space exploration isn't funded by the government any more, I just hope they don't strike a deal with Microsoft- then you'd expect the rockets to crash!

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I just hope they don't strike a deal with Microsoft- then you'd expect the rockets to crash!

I wonder what systems they used to replace the Amigas at NASA? Never was such high praise bestowed on the Amiga Architecture than it reliable use by NASA up until 2004!!!

Amigas at NASA!

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ddni wrote: @BigD Love religion threads....

When BigD posts, you can be sure it quickly diverts into one, no matter what the topic is...

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@polka.

The issue of Obama's election has everything to do with hope, faith and belief! With this in mind it would seem logical (Captain ) to talk about where my hope, faith and belief lies! His world view is in complete contradiction to a Christian world view and now his true colours have been shown.

There is no excuse for his liberal disregard for everything that makes America great! The killing of state funded manned space travel is a good example of that. It inspires the next generation, it unites humanity and it has many, many scientific spin offs!

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His world view is in complete contradiction to a Christian world view and now his true colours have been shown.

I changed your statement just a little bit:
"His world view is in complete contradiction to YOUR Christian world view."

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@polka.

This whole "Whatever's good for you!" Post-modern thinking is not actually compatible with what the Bible says it means to be a Christian.

John 3:3-7 (New International Version). 3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." ...

He also said, "I am the bread of life" (John 6:35), and "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved (Romans 10:9-10).

"Believe" means to "adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth" (Amplified Bible). Becoming a Christian is not simply joining a church or acting religious. It is surrendering your life to Christ and allowing his Spirit to dwell within you.

So does Obama adhere to Biblical teachings? Here are 3 tests

1) Bible command = Do not murder:

Obama's world view has no concept of the sanctity of Life - Abortion restrictions relaxed!

Q: Do you personally believe that life begins at conception?

A: This is something that I have not come to a firm resolution on. I think it’s very hard to know what that means, when life begins. Is it when a cell separates? Is it when the soul stirs? So I don’t presume to know the answer to that question. What I know is that there is something extraordinarily powerful about potential life and that that has a moral weight to it that we take into consideration when we’re having these debates.
Source: 2008 Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008

OBAMA RECORD

* Throughout his career, in both the Illinois Senate & the US Senate, Obama has stood up for a women’s right to choose, consistently earning 100% ratings from pro-choice groups.

Source: Campaign booklet, “Blueprint for Change”, p. 35-36 Feb 2, 2008

2) Bible view: Homosexuality is detestable to the Lord -
“do not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22).

Obama later said, “I don’t think homosexuals are immoral any more than I think heterosexuals are immoral.” Obama has taken a forthright stand calling for the end of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. He said, “It is time to review the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy and do what is in the best interests of our national security. At time when the services are having a tough time recruiting and training troops, it seems foolish to kick out good soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who want to serve.”
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.115 Oct 30, 2007

Also....

Opposes CA Prop. 8, one-man-one-woman marriage

Presidential candidates can command instant national attention when they want it. But John McCain and Barack Obama each took a hushed approach to letting the world know where they stand on the California ballot measure to ban same-sex marriage.

The muted announcements--McCain supports the proposed ban, Obama opposes it--will have little if any bearing on the presidential contest in California, but the ramifications are serious elsewhere.

Obama first announced his opposition to the measure only in response to media inquiries. He said the nation should recognize lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans “with full equality under the law.”

Obama called the ballot measure “divisive and discriminatory” and concluded by congratulating “all of you who have shown your love for each other by getting married these last few weeks.” Left unstated was that Obama has declined to endorse gay marriage, saying that civil unions would suffice to protect partners’ rights.

Source: By Michael Finnegan and Cathleen Decker, Los Angeles Times Jul 2, 2008

3) Marriage is the only relationship permissable for sexual union and children -

"Yes, it is good to live a celibate life. 2 But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. 3 The husband should not deprive his wife of sexual intimacy, which is her right as a married woman, nor should the wife deprive her husband. 4 The wife gives authority over her body to her husband, and the husband also gives authority over his body to his wife. 5 So do not deprive each other of sexual relations." 1 Corinthians chapter 7

Obama's view:
Obama co-sponsored providing benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees!

This legislation would require the Government to extend employee benefit programs to the same-sex domestic partners of Federal employees. It is sound public policy and it makes excellent business sense.

Under our bill, Federal employee and the employee's domestic partner would be eligible to participate in benefits to the same extent that married employees and their spouses participate. Employees and their partners would also assume the same obligations that apply to married employees and their spouses, such as anti-nepotism rules and financial disclosure requirements.

Source: Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act (S.2521/H.R.4838) 2007-S2521 on Dec 19, 2007

Also he...

Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.
Voting YES implies support for amending the constitution to ban same-sex marriage. This cloture motion to end debate requires a 3/5th majority. A constitutional amendment requires a 2/3rd majority. The proposed amendment is:

Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman.

* Proponents of the motion say:If Members of the Senate vote as their States have voted on this amendment, the vote today will be 90 to 10 in favor of a constitutional amendment.
* Marriage is a foundational institution. It is under attack by the courts. It needs to be defended by defining it as the union of a man and a woman as 45 of our 50 States have done.

The amendment is about how we are going to raise the next generation. It is not an issue that the courts should resolve. Those of us who support this amendment are doing so in an effort to let the people decide.

* Opponents of the motion say: This proposal pits Americans against one another. It appeals to people's worst instincts and prejudices.

Supporters rail against activist judges. But if this vaguely worded amendment ever passes, it will result in substantial litigation. What are the legal incidents of marriage? Is a civil union a marriage?
* Married heterosexual couples are wondering, how, exactly, the prospect of gay marriages threatens the health of their marriages.
* This amendment would make a minority of Americans permanent second-class citizens of this country. It would prevent States, many of which are grappling with the definition of marriage, from deciding that gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry. And it would write discrimination into a document that has served as a historic guarantee of individual freedom.

Reference: Marriage Protection Amendment; Bill S. J. Res. 1 ; vote number 2006-163 on Jun 7, 2006

And so the financial incentives for getting married in the traditional sense (one man and one women) are removed!!!! Not very Christian IMHO!

WHATEVER YOUR STANCE ON THESE ISSUES THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE BIBLE OR A CHRISTIAN WORLD VIEW! FACT!

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You bloody humans stay off of other planets until you've learned how to look after your own.


SpaceDruid out.



Edit: Oh and way to go in killing off your own thread BigD.

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