It strikes me to realize that AWeb simply can become the BEST Amiga-browser,
but only if a couple of few things can be added...

*The JAmiga JAVA-system for full Java-support and access to all Java-sites!
*Full Cookie-support (in whatever way that might be)
*Web-Cam support (also in JabberWocky)

JabberWocky needs Webcam-support, link-click support, smiley-support,
some kind of HTML-support and Phone-Net support like MSN...

I love the Amiga so much that i want to be able to visit different Chat-channels
than just being limited to non-Java sites...

EDIT updated topic, and moving to FreeForAll.

Last edited by wegster on 27-Sep-2005 at 04:39 PM.

@Helgis

Speaking as someone who spends all day at work doing web application development (and getting underpaid for it... don't get me started!), I think the real things aweb or indeed any amiga browser needs are proper layout, support for at least CSS level 1 and DOM 1 level Javascript as detailed by the W3C. I regard these as fundamentally more important than anything you listed.

Last edited by Karlos on 26-Sep-2005 at 10:12 PM.

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@Helgis

It's quite obvious how AWeb can become a high quality browser (and
chances became quite good lately):

using khtml library for rendering.

KHTML library is under way, see http://www.ppa.pl/khtml/index_en.php -
port is done by Marcik and is in first instance for MOS, but OS3 and
OS4 will benefit also since it is LGPLed and Marcik prepared support
for OS3 and OS4 (multisystem macros), but cannot do it himself (no
OS3 and no OS4). AWeb team already annouced to use that KHTMl library.

Do not forget to flood the khtml bounty at the morphzone.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

This is a topic about AWeb and how it can become the best browser..

It's important to mention Java-support and the other things..

Please stay clear to the topic, will you?

@Helgis

Don't you think you are jumping to conclusions, and it's speculation where AWeb is going to end up, I realized maybe 10-20 year from now there be nothing else then Amiga


The problem whit predictions are so many things can change down the path, maybe Internet is outdated by that time

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I don' think so. JAmiga is already under development and has seen a great
process...KHTML.library is also underway. I don't think it would happen 10-20 years,
but rather about a year or two

@Helgis

Just a suggestion (and a little off topic) but please please please don't keep saying "I wish" or "it would be better if..." when you seem completely unable to do anything about it. I've noticed this in a lot of your posts (including the troika one) and it really annoys me.

I'm sure we're all guilty of it sometime but all the time? Give it a rest please.

We all have wish lists but let's let the developers develop with some suggestions but not "I want it now"

And now back on topic:
I am sure Aweb can become the best browser same as I'm sure that any of the amiga browsers can in one way or another. Personally I like aweb and Ibrowse equally as they each have features that are good. If I could code I would contribute but until I can I'm not gonna hassle the developers.

Just my 2 cents.
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@Helgis

wishes, wishes, wishes. Where is father christmas :)

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@Helgis

What are you talking about? Webcam support? In a web brower? Could you name one web browser that supports webcams? Since IE, Safari, Firefox and most others don't.
Full cookie support? Not only is that not rocket science but we've had it for AGES on several Amiga browsers.
Java based on jAmiga? You'll have to wait a loooong looong time.

Damn... And I thought that we needed full CSS and XHTML support, proper layouting etc.

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I love the Amiga so much that i want to be able to visit different Chat-channels than just being limited to non-Java sites...

And WTH is that supposed to mean? What is the relation between IRC channels and java?

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Helgis, I'm getting pretty tired with your attention seeking postings, you're not 12 years old anymore.

I wouldn't be so sure about that...

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@Helgis

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It strikes me to realize that AWeb simply can become the BEST Amiga-browser, but only if a couple of few things can be added...

And if some things were added to IBrowse, would it then not be the BEST Amiga browser?

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*The JAmiga JAVA-system for full Java-support and access to all Java-sites!

Yeah ok, but you might want to just say 'Java, period.' JAmiga is making progress as far as I know, but something like kaffe might have quicker success. I do hope JAmiga succeeds however.

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*Full Cookie-support (in whatever way that might be)

Umm, I'm assuming by 'whatever way that might be' this means you don't understand what it is, are are simply regurgitating buzzwords?

WHY? If you don't know what it is, how is it you're missing it, let alone 'deciding' this 'feature' would make it the BEST Amiga browser?

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*Web-Cam support (also in JabberWocky)

Umm. Browsers have nothing to do with web-cams, unless you've been looking at 'naughty sites' and can't view them in AWeb? That would be more than likely from lack of Java as well as various media formats/codecs/support. Not sure what you mean here exactly?

You then had the nerve to admonish NustAboutAmige here:
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@NutsAboutAmiga This is a topic about AWeb and how it can become the best browser.. It's important to mention Java-support and the other things.. Please stay clear to the topic, will you?

but then went on to say:
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JabberWocky needs Webcam-support, link-click support, smiley-support, some kind of HTML-support and Phone-Net support like MSN...

Hrm. JabberWocky is NOT AWeb, now is it.
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Please stay clear to the topic, will you?

(whatever that means).

You might want to understand that you are subject to the same rules and requests as other users. Being a hypocrite, regurgitating buzzwords and randomness that you don't seem to understand, thinking that you have some special 'right' to tell someone else to do something you yourself seem unable to do.....all don't tend to help towards people acting nicely towards you or paying much attention.

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I love the Amiga so much that i want to be able to visit different Chat-channels than just being limited to non-Java sites...

You could always get an IRC client like WookieChat.

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@Helgis
PS- Karlos and Amigr have already given some examples of what's missing (CSS being key) today, although yes, I agree on Java support as a secondary need.

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@Helgis

I think people laugh at you because you dont think things through. the next time you want to post, think about what you're about to say for a few hours.... (I tend to do that too, fire off emails quickly without much thought and then later think what I wrote wasnt quite correct...)

@All

I have read all your comments and it's possible that i don't quite know what
is needed, but i simply feel that i want the same possibility to be able to
use WebCam on Amiga when chatting with different persons. Say, Webcam-support
in JabberWocky, HTML-feature and link-click support just like in MSN,
and i want AWeb and IBrowse (or other Web-browser that should come to Amiga)
being able to access all Java-based sites...

I want to be able to go into Chat-channels like Spray Chat, Chat.no,
Blink.no Chat and others. I'm not sure how such support should be
intergrated into the Amiga-system. I only know something clearly
must be done. I want to be able to access these things with my
Amiga-system, and not a PC...

I understand that process takes time. I only hope it won't take too long...

@Helgis

CSS

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I see. So with CSS and better HTML-support, among other things, we can finally
be able to visit chat-sites like Spraydate Chat, Chat.no and other web-based
chats that actually demand Java-support?

@Helgis

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Please stay clear to the topic, will you?

Thats kinda ironic coming from you don't you think?

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