Something unexpected did happen, no one managed to guess the identity of the
mystery Amigan in the spacesuit.
Therefore the contestants who did send in their answers in time, have got an
extended period of one week to make a new try to guess the correct identity.

You others, can if you like help them out in this thread.
Some more clues as follows:

1. The mystery Amigan is not a spaceman and as far as we
know has nothing to with NASA, space or space travel.

2. The mystery Amigan was part of the original Amiga
development team

3. The mystery Amigans first name is obtained from this
cryptic part of the riddle:-

"Pianeta, without an Amiga, stands; this author of many a
spiteless palimpsest, created by the self-same hands."

His second name comes from (especially the first part):-

"Proverbially lost, a memorial that once made the mighty
despair, now found by the waters where, when the sun was
rarely spotted, the frost found fair."


All contestants should have got an email about this as well, had some connection issues while i emailed, so some of you might get it twice.

Deadline is May 14 24.00 CET.

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It's a shame that noone guessed right the mystery Amigan.
My answer was Sam Dicker. So one name is sure to not be him.

2.1 The mystery Amigan is not Sam Dicker.

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My name if I remember well was Hans-Jorg Frieden.

Collecting information about Amiga Inc I am.

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@tomazkid

By second name do you mean his "surname"?

Right I have no clue, rubbish a riddles and crosswords. But at a complete guess it would'nt be



Joe Pillow?

seaching though the book On the Edge it has this page 408
"While purchasing the ticket, the attendant informed the team that flight regulations required a name for each occupied seat, therefore the Amiga team had to fill a name out on the ticket for the Amiga. Rather than Lorraine, Dale luck filled out Joe Pillow. The legend of Joe Pillow the most mysterious developer of the Lorraine, was born."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Pillow

PS: its not Richard Garriot that was my guess, largly thanks to the face tread I must admit.

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@tomazkid

Quote:

His second name comes from (especially the first part):-

The first part of the second name or the first part of the quoted part of the riddle ?

Quote:

"Proverbially lost, a memorial that once made the mighty despair, now found by the waters where, when the sun was rarely spotted, the frost found fair."

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So hard...

I choosed Richard Garriot as well... he wasn't the right one.

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Does no one have any idea? if not I will be going with Joe Pillow, just typing that name makes me

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@peterray

The second name (surname) can obtained from the first part of:-

"Proverbially lost, a memorial that once made the mighty
despair, now found by the waters where, when the sun was
rarely spotted, the frost found fair."

Good luck.

TrevorD


BTW (and this is the only other clue I'm going to give) it's not "Joe Pillow"

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This is an example how fer-fetched someone like me will go with this puzzle. Consider it giving general education if nothing else.

WORD 1:
PIANETA is italian word for planet. At first I thought it is a planet that has no Amiga. Well all planets (excluding planet Earth) are without Amiga computers. :) So I thought Amiga here is not Amiga (with capital A) but amiga which is spanish word meaning female friend (everyone knows this). Because we are talking about planets we could call moons their amigas. Well only 2 planets have no moons. They are Mercury and Venus.

Well anyway could not find any way to fit those words to this puzzle. Not even with anagramming them. So I started to rethink the part "Pianeta without an" and taking letters an away from Pianeta gives me another word with a capita P and it is Pieta again italian word for pity. Well we all know its a pity to be without an Amiga, but that is not the point in here.

Pieta is also a subject in Christian art depicting the Virgin Mary cradling the dead body of Jesus, most often found in sculpture. And there was a Michelangelo dude who in year 1499 decided to make his own sculpture of the subject. This sculpture and one other sculpture called David became his two best-known works. So when thinking "created by the self-same hands" could mean say Michelangelo is "this author" who made Pieta and David sculptures.

So in this case, even not solving the second part revealing the surname, my answer for 111 would be David Dean the hardware designer of Denise chip and the one who we all could thank for making the first Amiga as advanced as it was in graphics. Well but its not that simple since there were 3 men who were called Dave in the original Amiga design team and we can not be sure if Dave is just a shortened version or nickname they popularized for their real name David. So based on the first name it could also be Dave Dorneuan, Dave Morse (one of the few Amiga designers with Wikipedia entry) and Dave Needle (Hardware Agnus chip and system board designer). BTW. Planet also means a person who follows and serves another. When talking about David Dean, I could nominate Akio Tanaka as his planet since Akio Tanaka finished Dave Dean's Denise chip work. Good example how glory should never go to one person.

Someone (not me) may think that this puzzle is unfair to those who are not native english speakers, but well Amigans who are still Amigans are good enough in english otherwise they would have quit long time ago since understanding Amiga documentation needs undestanding of english. So adding complex english words barely never needed in normal english language communication is not too hard, but adding an italian word to start to puzzle is a real confusion bringer since you suddelenly have to think cryptic in two languages. Imagine if the first word would not have been italian and it would have been a finnish (my native language) word instead. How confusing that would be for most of you. ;)

It helps if you undestand cryptic crossfords, was said. Well but in real cryptic crosswords you are always told how many letters the word you are looking for contains. I think that is the main thing why no-one got the right answer in the first round. Another hard thing is that some anagram solvers and other cryptic crosswords tools do not know how to use real people names they are just not included in their dictionary.

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@Hanzu

Very impressive!

However, most Amigans know of the annual "Pianeta Amiga" show held in Empoli, Italy. Also the general rules of cryptic crosswords apply whether you know the number of letters, or not (which incidentally you have applied very well! )

TrevorD


Oh and BTW welcome to AW

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@TrevorDick

Thank you!

Yes I knew about "Pianeta Amiga" too, but it was just too hard to find any link between the puzzle and the happening, but now that I re-think it, silly me for not thinkin earlier I could threat it like a proper noun and not like a foreign word, just like the word Amiga. :)

This puzzle is good and very intresting since no-one could not solve it in the first place and we should not be given any more clues to solve it, but I am really wondering is it very clear to what original amiga development team member it points to, what I mean by this that will I be really sure when I have found the right answer that it is the one that this puzzle is all about, since I could add so many names to it. For example Stan Shepard. You can find the Stan from the word "stands" and you can just build the surname Shepard from the second part letters. Ofcourse this would be too lame and not so cryptic at all.

Well I have spend too many hours to solve this puzzle and I'm pretty sure at some point I would be 100% sure about the right answer, but unfortunately maybe not before deadline because it is not possible to spend so much time trying to solve it - at least not for me.

But the point in this thread was to create some discussion about solving it, so I decided to share some of my research because it is possible that I don't have time for more research. So here is what I have figured out:

"The mystery Amiga was part of the original Amiga development team"

The original Amiga development team to me means the team that was involved in creating Amiga 1000. Any development team creating Amiga models after that would not just seem so original to me.

"His second name comes from (especially the first part):-"

So we know it is not a woman and based on that fact some names are taken away from the original Amiga developers list.

POSSIBLE 111:

Akio Tanaka - finished Dave Dean's Denise chip work and later designed A1300 Genlock device)
Allen Gift
Allen E Collier
Bill Kolb
Bob "Kodiak" Burns - Software Printers & input devices
Bob Pariseau - Software Team leader
Bruce Thompson
Chris Rice
Dan Bertram
Dan Reitsinger
David Dean - Hardware Denise chip
Dave Dorneuan
Dave Needle - Hardware Agnus chip, system boards http://www.uber-leet.com/index.php?page=daveneedle
Dave Morse a.k.a. Dave Shannon Morse - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shannon_Morse
Don Luck
Edwin Chu
Gary McCoy
Glenn Keller - Hardware Paula chip, one of the main VLSI chip designers - http://www.rebol.com/cgi-bin/blog.r?view=0363
Greg Lee
Jack Halyer
Jeff L Taylor
John Cahill
Keith Culel
Lee Ho
Mark Shu
Martin Prylyzinski
Mike D Law
Mike Slifcak - possible contact: http://slif.users.sourceforge.net/
Mitchell Gass - http://www.participatorydesign.com/Mitchell_Gass_Biography.pdf
Neil Katin - Software Devices http://www.selbyventures.com/neil_katin.html
Rob Peck - the writer of Amiga ROM Kernel Manual, Programmers Guide to the Amiga, The AmigaDOS Companion, The Amiga Companion
Rick Geiger - General Manager Commodore Amiga - possible contact: http://richardlagendijk.nl/cip/article/item/spot_the_commodore_2
Stan Shepard - Chip Diagnostics and QA http://www.uber-leet.com/index.php?page=stanshepard

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NOT 111 BECAUSE NO PROPER SECOND NAME/SURNAME:

Howard W
Will ?? (unidentified signature)
?? '85 (unidentified signature)

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POSSIBLE DOUBLE-ENTRIES/TYPOS/MIS-INTERPRETENTIONS OF A1000 SIGNATURES LISTED IN
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/signatures.html AND SOME OTHER SOURCES:
Bob Peck -> Rob Peck?
Don [sp] -> Don Luck?
W- (???)

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OTHER AMIGA DESIGNERS WHO ARE NOT CREDITED IN A1000 SIGNATURE LISTS
http://www.rebol.com/article/0339.html
BUT PROBABLY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED DEVELOPING OTHER AMIGA MODELS:
Bart Whitebook - Software Graphics
Hedley Davis - Hardware "Representing" Commodore
Jim Mackraz - Software Graphics, devices

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A1000 SIGNATURE NAMES VERIFIED NOT TO BE 111:
Anne Morales
Carl Sassenrath (removed from the list because he was one of the 110 Amiga faces)
Caryn Havis -> Caryn Mical - Manager Third Party Software http://www.uber-leet.com/index.php?page=carynmical
Cheryl Gibbons
Dale Luck (removed from the list because he was one of the 110 Amiga faces)
Darlaine McDonell
Debbie Minardi - http://www.globalvr.com/company_team.html
Elizabeth M P
Jay Miner (removed from the list because he was one of the 110 Amiga faces)
Joe Pillow (removed because TrevorD said so)
Laurie Jan Rusch
Robert J Mical (removed from the list because he was one of the 110 Amiga faces)
Ronald H Nicholson Jr (removed from the list because he was one of the 110 Amiga faces)
Sam Dicker - Software sound (removed from the list because was drHirudo's answer and it was wrong)
Sheryl A Knowles - Graphics artist (http://www.icynic.com/~knowles/)

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OTHER SOURCES FOR AMIGA DEVELOPER NAMES:
http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/
http://raceways.free.fr/_Amiga/A%20history%20of%20the%20Amiga%20By%20Jeremy%20Reimer.html

Conclusion:
I am very surprised if it is not one of those designers who made the most creative part.
Bob, David, Dave, Glenn, Neil or Stan.

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@Hanzu

Welcome to AW.net I've made some reasoning like you, but i've removed Amiga words from Pianeta - Amiga = pnet. it was a deadend.

Instead "without AN" = Pieta.


Nice reasoning, congratulations. Still i have doubt... it is "pietà" not "pieta", and in this case the Amiga word in first riddle is useless and also the second riddle.

EDIT i think i've found the solutions about the second riddle.

Hanzu if you are one of the "7" who still have a change to win, contact me and i will share my ideas so i can help yo back.

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Yes and here is my latest thoughts:

Bob "Kodiak" Burns and Bob Pariseau could be linked to Bob (Blitter OBject) which are movable on the screen with the help of the blitter

coprocessor and blitter coprocessor is part of Agnus/Fat Agnus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitter_object The first part of the puzzle

only contains one B letter. So it would require more than anagrams to get name Bob (which has 2 B letters) to be derived from there.

Maybe synonyms or heaviers cryptic crossword methods like taking off or adding letters.

Also the letter K appearing in some development team members names, does not exist in the first part. So getting first names with K would

require heavy changes in the first part lettering.

Spiteless well I hate that word, because it has not real meaning. It must be something that needs to be cut off or something.

Palimpsest could be a clue to tell us we need to mix up some letters or words or scrape off some letters. Or is it referring to a writer.

Rob Peck is the only one that was commonly known as a writer. Well study that yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest

Proverbially in the manner of something that has become a byword; "this proverbially bitter plant, wormwood". So am I right if I

translate proverbially lost as literally lost or should I just be lost in proverbs until I find the answer. :) The word "lost" appears

once in the second part and the word "found" appears twice. Also the word spotted could refer to the word "found".

Only 9 first name surname combinations have all letters in both parts, but I am very doubtful that 111 can be found there without

changing some letters. This puzzle is not made to be so easy that you will add letters from random places, but here are those names

anyway.

Allen Gift
Allen E Collier
Chris Rice
Dan Bertram
Dan Reitsinger
Edwin Chu
Lee Ho
Mitchell Gass
Stan Shepard

Also remember that all punctuation is usually ignored in cryptic crosswords. So remove all , and ; because they could be there just to

hide hidden words and anagrams and to fool us to thing we should not separate or put togehter some words.

Some things I have noticed although they may have no meaning in this puzzle:

The first letters in the second part could have included a hidden www address. If you put together the first letters starting from the

word "waters", you would get, wwwtswrstfff but try any combination with it and you will not find any site that would provide a clue. It's

a "piata" since it would have been cool if these guys here could have been some secret Amiga agents: http://www.tswr.com/ Well maybe that

fff has some meaning too. I know it could be translated to a number, but I hope it has no meaning here.

I got tired or anagramming words, first names and surnames and all their combinations. But found some funny things atleast:

many a = mayan
mighty despair = eight pyramids

I hope none of the developers were not involved in develping something mayan or pyramids, cause that would just be over the top. ;)

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Just a thought - There is a saying in english (a proverb) that when something is lost it is like "looking for a needle in a haystack"

Rex

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Hehe you got me. Better stop now than be sorry. :)

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My answer:-


My thought and answer will be Bob Pariseau. unless anyone else has any more ideas, thanks for your help guys.

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Yes. We have shared enough information already and maybe even too much if you ask someone, but I don't think so, since even if all 7 will guess or solve the right answer. There still will probably be different amount of correct answers in faces and in related images and the tie-break question to put the winners in the right order. So it is not in our hands really after the deadline. I will now stop thinking about the puzzle because I want to get rid of those words looping in my head. I already know the puzzle words by heart and that is just too much. :)

So to close my participation to this subject, I'll write some anagrams I run into when I was trying to solve the puzzle.

Allen Gift - fellating
Caryn Havis - chains vary
Caryn Mical - acrylic man
Cheryl Gibbons - shying clobber
Chris Rice - rich rices
Dan Bertram - tamer brand
Dan Reitsinger - deers training
Darlaine McDonell - recalled mandolin
David Dean - dad invade
Dave Morse - dear moves
Greg Lee - egg reel
John Cahill - Jonah Chill
Mike D Law - make wild
Mike Slifcak - miskick flea
Mitchell Gass - lights camels
Neil Katin - alien knit
Stan Shepard - hardest span
Sheryl A Knowles - wholly sneakers

I bet these creative people will have some sense of humor if any of them ever sees this post (which I doubt), but well if they do. Hopefully anagrams look as non-insulting to them as they looked to me.

Beloved puzzling invented nicely! Good work puzzle maker!

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How do you know that there are 7 peoples still in competition?
I wondered how much we were.

I received the seconf round mail but it doesn't mention any count.


I already replied my answer and will redo it Thursday to be sure they got it.

@Ruoman

I my e-mail it was said that me and 6 other people answered right. Seven counting myself.

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