Some things to keep in mind.

Bill McEwen has pretty much left the AMIGA brand to us to do with as we please.
WE ARE AMIGA NOW! No matter what your take on that is.
2011 will *likely* see CommodoreUSA release AMIGA desktops, an AMIGA laptop and an AMIGA tablet.
This will lead to a renaissance in terms of the AMIGA brand.
Our AMIGA machines will have an unmistakable AMIGA flavour and should be competitive in the mainstream.
Don't expect us to produce cheap Walmart computers though.
Our motto and what we intend to deliver is
"Beautiful, High Performance, Home Computers for Creativity and Entertainment."
We want to recapture as much of what made the original AMIGA great as we can, and you, as forum members are in a position to guide this development to a large extent through your suggestions and an open dialogue.
You all know how to contact me if you would like to discuss your ideas.
Either PM me or e-mail me at lan@commodoreusa.net
We are listening, but your suggestions have to be viable in the mainstream, and not be purely hobby related. We are selling x86 machines....period. That is the only market we believe an AMIGA can flourish in without being hamstrung.
It is a given that we will never be able to please everyone in the community, at least as it exists today.

If things go to plan our website should be relaunched in November...but even then it will likely not portray our full plans which will hopefully be ready for product launch in 2011.
When we have shared our plans in full, closer to product launch, this poll would be more appropriate.

I do not take this burden of being the new bearer of the AMIGA flame lightly, and I will try my best to ensure that our AMIGA machines will be befitting of the hallowed brand.

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Does this now mean we can have an Aros forum to support these new users

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@BigBentheAussie

And yet you will give no information on AMIGA users using AMIGA OS,
and you will be selling rebranded existing product in different case
with low specs hoping to get the money just for using AMIGA name.

There will be nothing AMIGA in your AMIGA name, at least anything new
that any curren`t PC cannot run (AROS, WinUAE + AmiKit). Your AMIGA
has not seen yet the day of light and there is no AMIGA presentation
at all at your AMIGA site and no AMIGA history. And as so far announced,
will NOT be with the product. Your "Commodore" "AMIGA" company
doesn`t reply to that simple request - sell your mambo jumbo deal
but provide info real AMIGA OS exists.
So AMIGA yourself you AMIGA!
Even support to x86 AMIGA OS AROS is not visible, so you do not contribute
to AMIGA community except by flamming, while you do spread classic propaganda.

Defenetelly ban the propaganda user and leave no trace of vaporware yet and even when realised

Any of the questions related to it if must can go to gen hardware for problems with integrated board or AROS/WinUAE if any problems with this.

No more mambo jumbo, so sad to see users like Persia,BigAussie etc.
Do it on your PC

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@BigBentheAussie

So now I know how Apple users felt when Steve Jobs introduced Bill Gates over video link and said the time of competition is over between us. But at least Steve Jobs kept the MacOS, well actually he dumped that piece of junk and replaced it with a proper OS which is very nice but not my cup of tea.

We all know that these new Amiga's will be running Windows, because if you are serious business types you will not sell Ubuntu on a machine because nobody will buy it. That is no disrespect to Ubuntu just cold hard commercial facts. Plus if you sell in numbers, Microsoft will not let you, as has always happenend with Linux eg netbooks.

So we will soon have Amiga branded windows machines.

But

All of you should know that I wanted Amiga on x86 since the mid 90's and was doing this by making Amiga work with Windows with Siamese to make a multi OS compatible system. Now if C=USA are successful I will do all I can to make the new machine owners realise that there new machine can also run like a true Amiga with the correct operating system AROS.

Feel like a Guerilla marketing campaign appearing up my sleeve

Remember every cloud etc etc.

So best of luck to C=USA, just support the efforts to get the new users to entertain the real AmigaOS and one day do a system that is solely a true Amiga and all will gradually support you.

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2011 will *likely* see CommodoreUSA release AMIGA desktops, an AMIGA laptop and an AMIGA tablet.

Hell YES!!! Bring it on!!!


Now I only have to ensure my POS Toshiba makes it to 2011

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WE ARE AMIGA NOW! No matter what your take on that is.

This isn't so much a question about what is or isn't an Amiga as what should or shouldn't be the subject matter of this forum.

If Commodore USA succeeds then I'd rather these venues continued to discuss operating systems that seek to recreate the AmigaOS/ Workbench experience - even if that means them rebranding and even renaming themselves to make that clear - because I don't think that manufacturer/ brand alone is a sensible starting point for discussion.

Although a successful Commdore Amiga-branded Windows PC might be an attractive proposition to Amiga fans who use PCs for productivity, the computing experience (Windows or Linux on PC) isn't really connected to the discussion interests of the community here. It feels like something that should get a whole new forum (although to be honest, I think brand/manufacture is an odd thing to form an online community around, unless you're a complete brand fan). If the existing forums have to rename themselves to avoid confusion (even to "concede the battle" if the new Commodore Amiga succeeds) then so be it.

My two pence:

If you want to do something unique with this opportunity, then I'd sell attractive PCs that dual boot Windows and an Amiga-branded Linux distro, which a) should be based on something like Ubuntu for usability and b) have a tweaked desktop to resemble the Amiga Workbench navigation as closely as possible.

It should look like Workbench and feel a bit like it too.

Maybe incorporate something like the Rox Filer so you're opening windows and clicking on icons as your main way of opening files and running programs. Preferably, I'd include some kind of emulation so people can emulate Amiga software seamlessly in this Linux Amiga Workbench environment.

I'd then investigate taking open source apps and forking them to make a suite of Amiga-branded, also open source stuff. E.g., a GIMP- and Inkscape-based graphics studio with the "Deluxe" branding (if you can get it) and the same icons/ palette layout (including the dot-on-a-bar foreground and background colour). Obviously you'd have to add some new features to justify the fork beyond being a mere gimmick, but not a huge amount.

Also a good Amiga-branded Office suite and browser, again based on forking existing open source projects and adding enough new features to justify the fork.

Sell your boxes dual booting this Amiga Linux Workbench with Windows, and if you end up with a nice, usable, attractive, Amiga-branded (Amiga-like) Linux environment, you can look at selling slightly cheaper versions of your Commodore Amigas that don't have Windows on. Make it an option for the customer.

To me it would still be cheating :P but the fact is I do have to use Linux and I do use Windows, so if Commodore USA could slap a superficially Amiga-ish user experience on top of Linux, and sell it in an attractive box at a good price, I would be tempted.

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WE ARE AMIGA NOW! No matter what your take on that is.

You're "Commodore USA Amiga", I got it.
Best of luck, if you'll ship a Commodore USA Amiga with Aros next year I'll buy one, so it will gather dust along with my SAM/eMac/AspireOne. I love dust.

@Paolone
It's not about names but about that OS evolving for the last 25 years, and the possibility/philosophy/paradigm of having "different" custom computers built specifically for it.
Yes the X1000 is expensive and blah blah blah, but if your read TD transcript of the RT interview (or listen to it) you can realize it is meant for some, and that it will eventually lead to newer products (even cheaper ones).

As for the OS, you might have missed the news, but Carl Sassenrath is bringing its work to it, and Alinea is once again developing new versions of their software (including Art Effect) for it. Jamie Krueger is back developing its tools, with other projects going on underneath thanks to the HW loaning program (which will include X1000 beta boards too by the way).

This is a new beginning for AOS make no mistake.

Till there will be people that believe in that definition of Amiga (like myself) and companies making such products will exist, it will be hard not to consider x86 chinese PCs running a plethora of OSs (including an Amiga-Like clone) as nothing more than a Chinese x86 PC with a label on it.

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@BigBentheAussie

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2011 will *likely* see CommodoreUSA release AMIGA desktops, an AMIGA laptop and an AMIGA tablet.

Forgive my cynicism but I have been hearing claims like this from various sources for far too long. When you have made as much notable progress as Trevor Dickinson I may start to take notice, until then there are only three relevant topics . AROS(x86), MorphOS(retired Mac), and OS4.x(Up to SAM 'likely' soon A1X1K).
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This will lead to a renaissance in terms of the AMIGA brand.

The AMIGA brand will dissapear from sight swamped under by the likes of Dell, Packard Bell, Acer and other large volume manufacturers
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Our AMIGA machines will have an unmistakable AMIGA flavour and should be competitive in the mainstream.

Your AMIGA machines will be indistinguishable from any other x86 based hardware running Windows, and will only become relevant to this site if the buyer puts AROS on to it, something CommodeUSA has already turned its back on

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Sorry. Double post.

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@jas_mc

That's very similar to what I was proposing back when the x86 Amigas first hit the news. But prepared to be flamed with "it's not an amiga if it is not running an amiga os or amiga-like OS" and "linux is not amiga" retorics...

I guess we will know more about this in the future... for now it's all theoretical and we cannot know what are they going to do.

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@andres

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andres wrote: C=USA's PCs wont use AROS, but W7 or Ubuntu.

It would be easy to preload W7 boxes with AmigaForever 2010.

Instead of Splashtop(e.g. ASUS Expressgate) why about AROS?

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The Amiga brand has already disappeared. Just over 1000 users left. Even 10 years ago there was about 10 times that... We are on life support as it is...

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True. C=Amiga disappeared years ago.
The disappearance I was referring to was CommodeUSA Amiga, which is a nonexistent entity as far as PC users are concerned.
It will enter the market with the explosive force of a soggy firecracker.

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Will accessories like keyboards, mice, cases be sold to the public?

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Will accessories like keyboards, mice, cases be sold to the public?

that would actually be a great idea. since the machines themselves will just be OEM PCs, the only real value 'commodore USA' brings is the brand. so those of us who use amigaOS or morphOS could buy the cases and have the name as well. after all -- that's all the crew in fort lauderdale brings to the table anyway.

in all honesty the idea that the amiga brand will end its days this way is hugely disappointing to me. just a sticker on some bog-standard PC from a company adding no value to the machine itself whatsoever. that hardly seems in keeping with the amiga tradition.

-- eliyahu

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Excuse me, but what amiga tradition?

Are you saying that there is a continued amiga tradition to date? If there is, I cannot see it. The only amiga tradition in the last decade is that of overpriced, underpowered, unreliable, uncompetitive products that are usually late to the market.

edit:typos

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That's allot of bluster for a company that just produces stickers.
Instead of just badge-engineering other manufacturer's PC's why not invest in REAL Amiga Technology and build an OS4 capable (Power PC) machine?

@Thread
I used to like coming here until the user-base got infested with AROS & MOS users, the site changed to include them and now any OS4 news is treated with utter contempt by these users.
This WAS a Pro OS4 site, now it seems to have barely anything to do with real Amiga's at all.

So, why not call the website AROS World instead? and OS4 users go to Amigans.net instead.

There's no place for OS4 on Amigaworld.net any more.

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why not invest in REAL Amiga Technology and build an OS4 capable (Power PC) machine?

Because there is no market for that... Power PC is dead on desktop computers.
Would be much better to just port OS4 or use AROS as a base for a licensed x86 OS4 clone, but even so, highly unlikely to happen because there is no profit in that.

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To me Amiga's legacy still lives in the OSes (AmigaOS and MorphOS), not in the hardware. Same could be applied - to a lesser extend - to AROS, which aims at being compatible with AmigaOS at the API level. As DAX pointed out things are still moving, both for AOS and MOS. As much as I am "platform agnostic" these (eventual) AmigaPCs are somewhat a slap in the face for community members who breathed and lived the Amiga soap opera of the past 10+ years but I understand there might be a market for these (as there was - apparently - a market for Commodore Gaming PCs a while back). I'd buy one if it comes out with Aros, but this is just me being masochistic, not because I feel they have something to do with AMIGA "as intended".