I am continually agast at how negative Amiga World seems to have become (mainly due to a minority I think) - despite all the great things recently happening in the real Amiga world, such as:

* Finally hardware available for OS4 (Sam440), which is actually also pretty decent (compared to troublesome A1s).
* OS4.1 being released with lots of new stuff (e.g. Compositing).
* OS4 being released for Peg2.
* Hyperion vs AI dispute ended in Hyperion's favour.
* OS4.1 Update 1 being released, with lots more new stuff.
* High-end h/w that everyone was moaning for finally being announced (X1000).
* AmiCygnix with AbiWord/etc port.
* OWB, not to mentioning it finally being really usable.
* Timberwolf project (Firefox port) being announced.
* Hollywood getting better with each release.
* MorphOS 2.0 to 2.4 being released.
* Finally hardware available for MorphOS (MacMini, etc).
* AROS going from strength to strength (Icaros).
* etc etc etc

I mean, how much good news do we need before people stop moaning on & on & on? It's almost as if people are trying to drive everyone away from AmigaWorld.net. (Hopefuly towards Amigans.net/etc, as otherwise that means we've lost them for good.)

While I think at least a couple of people are intentionally stirring things up, there are a lot more people than just them posting negative stuff all the time, without thinking or caring for the consequences. I don't have a problem with people expressing their dislike for something.... unless they do it *repeatedly* about the same damn subject ad-nauseum, like a broken record.

If it was limited to one or two threads, I could ignore it. But no, it seems like nearly half of the interesting threads gets dragged down with extreme negativity & skepticism, if not out-right delusions.

It's as if during the bad times a few years ago people learnt to complain & be super-skeptical about everything (and be proven right in those times), and now that things are great (or at least a hell of a lot better), they are unable to change their behaviour.

I don't know what the solution is. Stronger moderation would be one, but they've already made it clear they aren't keen on that. Maybe it's just time to switch to a better site, and let this one continue degenerating towards being a MooBunny immitation? Thoughts?

(Puts on flame-proof suit on, and then goes to play Team Fortress 2.)

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Totally agree with you, the last months have been very good for the Amiga platform...

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@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: I am continually agast at how negative Amiga World seems to have become (mainly due to a minority I think) - despite all the great things recently happening in the real Amiga world, such as: It's as if during the bad times a few years ago people learnt to complain & be super-skeptical about everything (and be proven right in those times), and now that things are great (or at least a hell of a lot better), they are unable to change their behaviour.

You missed off the fact that we may finally be getting some 'new' (and improved) AGA hardware to play with courtesy of the FPGA Arcade

I guess when you've had years and years of disappointments, it does make people somewhat skeptically about the future. You are correct though, the Amiga enthusiast (both Classic and new stuff) has a lot to look forward to and the situation today is a damn sight better than when I got involved in the scene a couple of years back

Personally, I'm dying for an Intel-compatible port or emulation of OS4. :)

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@ChrisH

...and this thread is another chance for people to moaning on & on & on!

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@ChrisH

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I don't know what the solution is. Stronger moderation would be one, but they've already made it clear they aren't keen on that. Maybe it's just time to switch to a better site, and let this one continue degenerating towards being a MooBunny immitation?

Really you are acting like a baby.


This is obviously about me and my thinking that the X1000 is Vapor.


Are we not allowed to question now?


We are told nearly a year ago there is a MAP. The proof will be in the eating of the pudding. Then NOTHING.

Soon a site shows up promising to announce something.

Oh could it be new hardware?


Here we are months later. No known CPU, no PICTURE of the motherboard, no PRICE, etc,etc,etc..


But if we don't blindly follow along, but instead ask important questions and say, let's calm down all the excitement as we have all been down this road before. Lets get some more information before we start costing ACUBE sales waiting for a magical mystery motherboard.



Still haven't tasted any pudding!!

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Yeah, it's sometimes really hard to keep positive around here..

So many good things happened in the last two years. And sadly, it seems it's always those people who don't care about these products anyway, who complain the most..

And I still cannot stop to wonder, why people keep on a website, if all they have there is something to complain... I would have gone somewhere else already...



Anyway, I love Amiga, and if you people do, the best thing you can do for it is to stay and act positive.

Otherwise you will kill that small flower, that's being nurtured at the moment..

And everybody loses...

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steril606 wrote: Anyway, I love Amiga, and if you people do, the best thing you can do for it is to stay and act positive. Otherwise you will kill that small flower, that's being nurtured at the moment.. And everybody loses...

Oh my god! It's like if you aren't willing to get in the middle of the circle jerk and pretend everything is Rose colored and buy into every Tom, Dick , and Harry that comes buy to CLAIM the next great hardware, then you are an a**hole.

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@ChrisH

It is sad. The main problem though is not that everyone is not happy, positive or whatever all the time, but that a few individuals keep posting the same complaints, rants and topics over and over again. Potentially good threads are being ruined by people who must have another go at Hyperion, A-Eon, the rest of us, "blind followers" etc.

I find it extremely sad that some people are willing to ruin an otherwise really nice website/forum that I have enjoyed reading daily for years. When the good news about the X1000 appeared (even if some people claim it is vapor because they do not know every detail) I wanted to take an active part in the discussions here, but sadly the quality of the some of the forum postings dramatically decreased after this announcement.

I think that tougher moderation could be good at times, or at least moderation stopping people from creating several new threads about the same topic.

@all

I have not been able to be on here nearly as much as I used to be. The twins are nearly 1 and my wife and I are half way through a new pregnancy.

When I do log in I don't see many abuse reports filed. And I saw many more threads for some time now with substantive subjects at least. What I think would be the most helpful is if people log abuse reports on what they see as issues. And when you see a problem try not to engage those individuals. This site is supposed to be here to serve its members. The more of you that stand up reporting issues as you see them the more apparent it will be to staff when issues indeed are happening.

This will also help us see negative patterns of behavior over time which could help paint a more complete picture of people who may be looking to cause trouble.

The site does have a long history now and tomazkid made it clear recently that we don't want to get into the business of moderating opinions, something that he says used to happen in the past. That approach is supposed to be a benefit to all members. Of course if someone is "playing the system" thats what is going to annoy others. We need your help to see these issues as they happen. We need your help to not escalate situations when someone does that as well.

@ChrisH

I'm a bit confused because I thought recently that you acknowledged things had gotten better recently here in your view?

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@ChrisH

I'd also say comparing us to Moo-Bunny is pretty harsh. I mean they say some seriously nasty stuff there, almost every day. Some REALLY nasty stuff. I mean we are talking stuff like "his kid almost died, so what" level junk. And thats the NORM there.

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AmigaHeretic wrote: @ChrisH Really you are acting like a baby.

Take your personal issues to PM. Any more here and there will be repercussions.

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@all

I agree totally, too much negativity only attracts negativity.

These past years have been the best for Amiga, new software, new hardware and a good future.

Amigans finally realise how small a community we are, so ask yourself this do your actions help or hinder Amiga ?

I was thinking maybe we should find ways to celebrate Amigas 25th birthday on July 24.

We have a great future to look forward too !

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steril606 wrote: Yeah, it's sometimes really hard to keep positive around here.. So many good things happened in the last two years. And sadly, it seems it's always those people who don't care about these products anyway, who complain the most.. And I still cannot stop to wonder, why people keep on a website, if all they have there is something to complain... I would have gone somewhere else already... Anyway, I love Amiga, and if you people do, the best thing you can do for it is to stay and act positive. Otherwise you will kill that small flower, that's being nurtured at the moment.. And everybody loses...

Yep I agree.

Although I still think it was 'strange' to the announced the X1000 so early, I think that this new hardware is very good news for OS4 and that recent AEON FAQ made for some good reading.

Everyone was complaining that the SAM was underpowered and too expensive and now they are trying to do something about that situation.

People should keep in mind that for OS4.x development to continue this X1000 needs to be a success so people (who are actually OS4 supporters) need to be positive about things.

If this new hardware venture fails to sell then I think OS4 development will probably stall and people will move over to Aros or maybe MorphOS.

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@ChrisH

I ask you to go back to the news item about the FAQ. Read what I wrote.

I made a single post. I calmly and rationally gave my opinion explaining why I think it is silly they are wasting breath about some of the questions. I was calmly saying it would have been more valuable to use the time to answer some questions that went unanswered. Questions they were able to answer in more detail.


This is how you responded to my post stating my opinion:


"what are you moaning about now"

"ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION"

"What about ... do you not understand"

"It's your problem"

"your foolish"

"You & others would probably harass them"


I did nothing to deserve these kinds of responses. Yet you complain about me??


Pot, Kettle, Black...

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@fairlanefastback

I'm not sure we're talking about "abuse" lately, so much as repetition of statements.
At one point, moderators were pretty keen on watching the "recent posts" listing, and making sure that no duplicate thread topics existed at the same time. If such duplication was discovered, one thread would be *locked*.

Perhaps what we're experiencing is similar, in that multiple "statements" of identical nature are being made, which is basically as repetitive as a duplicated topic. I realize that's near impossible to enforce or merely discourage, since making that determination would require a substantial amount of cross referenced reading of each individual's posts.

Nevertheless, that IS the gist of what I am reading lately. That some people seem to be repetitive, rather than abusive.

Just my 2¢.

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So many good things happened in the last two years. And sadly, it seems it's always those people who don't care about these products anyway, who complain the most.. And I still cannot stop to wonder, why people keep on a website, if all they have there is something to complain... I would have gone somewhere else already...

Its likely because over time the complaining became the hobby to some. Others maybe don't know what to do with themselves if they are not complaining, maybe they can't afford currently required hardware either and so some have some resentment. And like it or not there will be a couple of folks who actually have bad blood issues from years past.

What the majority needs to do is start hitting the report button more when they see an issue. PM mods more when they see an issue. Not engage such posters and put threads back on topic by ignoring such folks and continue on as if they were not there. This way when a mod looks at the report the problem poster stands alone more as a problem and there are no petty entanglements to deal with a mess of 30 posts of in-fighting.

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@ChrisH

There's a basic psychological reason for negativity: there is pleasure to be gain in being a cynic. By bringing other people down, you automatically get better yourself (or at least it seems like it). It's also a self defense mechanism, trying to shield oneself from disappointment if things go wrong in the future. This is not exclusive to the Amiga community. Pointing out flaws in other people's plans is a hell of a lot easier than coming up with a good plan yourself, and some people spend most of their time doing just that.

I agree with you, this is a great time to be in this community. I think some people here are so obsessed with the idea of dethroning Windows or OSX, that they will simply not be satisfied until AOS reaches that level. There's nothing wrong with ambition to reach a crazy goal, but you should really enjoy the ride there...

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number6 wrote: @fairlanefastback I'm not sure we're talking about "abuse" lately, so much as repetition of statements. At one point, moderators were pretty keen on watching the "recent posts" listing, and making sure that no duplicate thread topics existed at the same time. If such duplication was discovered, one thread would be *locked*. Perhaps what we're experiencing is similar, in that multiple "statements" of identical nature are being made, which is basically as repetitive as a duplicated topic. I realize that's near impossible to enforce or merely discourage, since making that determination would require a substantial amount of cross referenced reading of each individual's posts. Nevertheless, that IS the gist of what I am reading lately. That some people seem to be repetitive, rather than abusive. Just my 2¢. #6

Thanks. Though that only perplexes me more then as to why we are drawing a comparison to Moo-Bunny. When I think Moo-Bunny I think ABUSE.

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