A bit controversial maybe, as I think only AmigaOne owners can purchase OS4 atm(?), but it would be nice to see OS4 running in the PearPC PowerPC emulator.

It already runs MacOS X and various PPC implementations of Linux.

I can't afford an AmigaOne at the moment and it would be nice to try out the OS on my PC whilst saving for my AmigaOne. Maybe Hyperion could even release a cut down trial version of OS4 to run in the emulator so that the millions of Windows users can realise that there IS a better OS out there.

Just a thought...

P.S. Does anyone know if its true what I read about someone who has got OS4 to run on their Pegasos? (downloaded illegally though )

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@Skunkfish

what are the stats for PPC stuff running under emulation ?
whats it equivalent to in terms of real PPCs ?
I bet its pretty poor !

oh - and you're wrong - OS4 will be released for BlizzardPPC and CyberstormPPC at the same time, its just that A1 is the only one one can buy pre-released OS4 for at the mo.
This is because it's the only amiga that doesnt have a released AmigaOS at the mo IIRC.

-edit- just re-read your post - I see what you mean ! must've missed the key point (ATM) !

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From the PearPC website: (http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/)

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# CPU GENERIC: Sort of G3, no altivec yet. A portable (but unported CPU. Using this CPU, the client will run about 500 times slower than the host. It features a modest command-line debugger. # CPU JITC-X86: Sort of G3, no altivec yet. A very fast CPU for x86 systems that translates PowerPC instructions into x86 instructions on-demand. By caching these translations, a lot of speed is gained. Using this CPU, the client will run about 15 times slower than the host. Only works on x86 hosts.

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While the CPU emulation may be slow (1/500th or 1/15th, see above), the speed of emulated hardware is hardly impacted by the emulation; the emulated hard-drive and CDROM e.g. are very fast, especially with OS that support bus-mastering (Linux, Darwin, Mac OS X do).

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@MetalJoe

With Jit enabled, people have run the emulator pretty fast (3000 +)


It would be cool indeed that os4 run on pearpc

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@_ThEcRoW

Let's face it, AmigaOS originates from some very low spec hardware by today's standards - even in the move to PowerPC with lots of RAM and storage, it's still very lean and efficient so would probably cope fairly well.

Thing is, it comes back to the usual issues. Is there a market? How do we handle the anti-piracy protection?

I'm not convinced there is much of a market for OS4 on PearPC, though. If you want AmigaOS running on x86, take a look at UAE or AROS. You might get a handful of people using it, but I can't see many - certainly nowhere near enough to justify the work/cost on porting OS 4 over (and yes, you probably would need some work done to both OS 4 and possibly PearPC itself).

I'd be interesting to know how many use OS X on PearPC at the moment as that would have a market much bigger than anything OS 4 could currently provide.

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@MetalJoe

Why not start a poll?

Part of me really likes the idea of OS4 on pearPC - it makes sense for a couple of reasons: Increased user base - devs who cant afford an A1 and the publicity.

However, we all know that as soon as it was made avaiable it would be pirated left right and centre. The market is currently too small for the "benefits" of Piracy to have any effect. The Piracy would kill Amiga OS off over night.


No - I propose something like this is used ONLY as a means of getting cheap boards out FOR DEVELOPERS:

http://www.analogue-micro.com/product.php?action=view_prod&id=00043

PPC on a PCI card with basic IO. They also do a board that is just a PPC chip on a PCI card. Bung it in your X86 box. The card then acts as a parasite using the resources of the host. You dont even need an X86 chip on your motherboard - this card acts as the main processor.

Ok - so you will have to support some chipsets - but there are generic instructions.

Infact analogue and Micro have their own I0 you can also drop this card onto.

Sell these little cards to developers only - because you dont want to give the home user the excuse to run windows. Plus the real A1's will be faster.

@_ThEcRoW

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it would be cool indeed that os4 run on pearpc

Yes to kill OS4 and A1! Congratulations very nice idea!

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>Slow PearPC emulator

Several years ago, MAI Logic promise to release Mightron and Micro Server PCI card that can be installed on ordinary PC.

If this product really works and AmigaOS 4 is ported to this machine, IMO AmigaOS 4 can run at full speed.

What happen to this product?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2002_August_13/ai_90327806

"The Mightron card is a generic PCI device, which comprises of a compact PowerPC system with the Articia series chipset, IBM's or Motorola's PowerPC processor, interrupt controller, on-module memory, and two Ethernet chips. It can either work with a low cost carrier board or be used as a stand-alone PCI device, which is an ideal platform to accelerate non-Wintel system development. Samples for the Mightron-S7410 card is expected to be available in the third quarter of 2002."

@Bobsonsirjonny

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Why not start a poll?

Why not read up on our eariler comments about OS4 on other platforms, and PearPC in particular ?

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@ikir

It just seems that OS4 will never be successful when the average person has to pay well over £500 for an AmigaOne to even experience it, but is exposed to Windows pretty much everywhere in their daily lives.

Most home users bought their PCs originally because they their friends had them and wanted one too.

Although the AmigaOne with OS4 interests me enough to want to buy it, would the average PC user do the same, when they have no chance to see its benefits first-hand?

Another thought, if half a million Windows users pirated OS4 to try it on their PCs how would this affect sales of AmigaOne hardware and OS4? I think the answer maybe to increase them...

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@ikir

it seems many here are out to destroy the A1 and os4 and the entire Amiga industry with their hair brained ideas all just to save a few bucks

nice one guys just what we really need right now

Hyperion may as well just throw in the towel now

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Several years ago, MAI Logic promise to release Mightron and Micro Server PCI card that can be installed on ordinary PC.

Why does every press release and announcement always have to be translated as "promise"?

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A bit controversial maybe

*sigh*

Please read the statements made by Entil'Zha and me on the "OS 4 for Pegasos" poll thread, and please understand why these kind of questions and/or polls are a complete waste of time.

No, it will not happen. Does that suffice?

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Does anyone know if its true what I read about someone who has got OS4 to run on their Pegasos? (downloaded illegally though

More than likely this is a hoax.

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Don't try to kill OS4 with stupid ideas.

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@Skunkfish

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It just seems that OS4 will never be successful when the average person has to pay well over £500 for an AmigaOne to even experience it, but is exposed to Windows pretty much everywhere in their daily lives.

You can argue about that. I mean sure it is costly. But man I don't want to have OS4 ported over to the x86 hardware. The reasons you will hear from people that want that is, more sales and better name. x86 is not for OS4. And about PearPC, sure I can understand that you have the argument that people can try it. But hey let me the one to set everyone straight:

OS4 on Apple or Mini Mac = NO
OS4 on x86 = NO

OS4 will run on AmigaOne hardware only. No "yeah but if they would" talks.

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P.S. Does anyone know if its true what I read about someone who has got OS4 to run on their Pegasos? (downloaded illegally though)

Monkey Muffins.

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@Coder

nice reply

@EntilZha

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EntilZha wrote: @Bobsonsirjonny Quote: Why not start a poll? Why not read up on our eariler comments about OS4 on other platforms, and PearPC in particular ?

I was not on about starting a poll for OS4 PearPC - I know the answer to that. Its been laboured to death. Indeed if you read my remaining post you will see what my conclusion is.

I was just simply interested to find out how many ppl here use PearPC with Mac OS thats all.

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nice reply

It is just not true. You have that OS4Emu thing but I have not read what it is or what it all does. But it is hardly OS4 on the Pegasos as I understand.

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i realy meant nice reply (monkey muffins)

i would have said its bull sh#t