i have made some test with Mesa 7.11 and Gallium 0.4 on Linux Mint 12 Lisa vs OpenGL on Linux Mint 12 Lisa to see how is good or not Gallium.
And then vs AROS that use Gallium 0.4 and same Mesa version if i well remember..
i have tested Quake Arena, Torcs, Globs and glmark2, Supertuxcarts 0.7.3 and soubraten.
i have testd gallium and opengl with 3DMark 2000, 2001 and 2003 with Wine to see how good is wine on
different driver.

very soon i post the results.

hardware is:

Intel Core2 Duo E8500
Asus P5Q, 4 GB DDR2 800 SuperTalents
Nvidia Geforce GTS250 GDDR3 1 GB
Sound Blaster Audigy
Linux Mint 12 "Lisa"
Mesa 7.11 + Gallium 0.4
Nvidia 280.13

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@Seiya
Will be interesting to see comparing with aros for sure.

Btw, imho name of topic a bit confusing. Like opengl and gallium are have the same goals and you compare it. OpenGL are stardart, Gallium are drivers-layer. OpenGL can works and over official drivers, and over gallim ones, whil its still the same opengl standart implemented in mesa in both ways. So topic should be called like "OpenGL with official/catalist/etc drivers vs OpenGL with Gallium3d drivers". Then it will sounds right , but not like "OpenGL vs Gallium", like its something with the same goals.

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@kas1e

ok
i changed :)
by the way.
on linux i found nice GL bench like glmark2 and globs.
do someone (you?) make the port on aros?

and torcs

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on linux i found nice GL bench like glmark2 and globs. do someone (you?) make the port on aros?

If no one will do it tommorow, then will try to do it. Can be very easy, but need to check of course (and i can be wrong, but imho globs already ported ?)

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here the first test
These are 3DMark 2000, 2001 and 2003 with Wine compared with test made on Windows XP
i have to re-check 3dmark 2000 on nvidia driver




Here there is Quake Arena in fullscreen


and windowed where you can notice that Gallium on AROS is faster than Linunx in Window


glmark2 and GLobs




Torcs
Set in 1440x900x24 fullscreen with Actived Texture compression

on Linux with Mesa 7.11 + Gallium 0.4 at the start of the game it take 38 fps
on Linux with nvidia 280.13 at the start of the game it take 149 fps

on the game with Gallium framerate goes through 38 to 240 fps, while on nvidia driver, the framerate goes from 149 to more 500 fps.

SuperTuxkart 0.7.3 has a static frame rate in the game, however.
in 1440x900 with Effect to level 6.

Linux Mesa 7.11 + Gallium 0.4 : 31/110/111
Linux nVidia 280.13: 36/111/111
on AROS i played very well, about same framerate

however i have made many videos and many others i will do.

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I expected Mesa on Linux to be faster however I did not expect AROS windowed to be faster than Linux windowed. :)

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The question is why is the AROS quake fullscreen so much slower the Linux fullscreen, considering how close the result in windowed benchmarks.

@Seiya
Great stuff, got anymore games you can test?

@mihcael

the problem is that i have only 4GB key with 2,5 GB of persistence to storage games...
now, i ill search demo version of some games to test.
i tried Doom3 on Gallium and...well, you'll see on youtube

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What are the units on the y axis in the charts? I have no idea what these figures mean.

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Interesting results. I thought Gallium was much slower than NVIDIA drivers.

@koft

right :)

in the first chart are: Mark
in the second and third chart are: FPS
in the forth chart are: FPS
in the fifth chart are: Mark

@all
i have finaly found other some interesting demos and full games:
DropTeam
Frets On Fire
PlaneShift
AlienArena 2008
OpenArena 0.7.0
Postal2 demo
Quake-Wars
Quake4 demo
Tremulous
Unreal 2004 demo
X2
Urban Terror
Doom 3 demo
Enemy Territory
Prey demo

this games are included in supergamer, so i don't know if they works in others distro.
see you later :)

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Quote:

i have finaly found other some interesting demos and full games:

That will give us realy complex image!

@pavlor

but don't work for now :(
so, i hope to find archive site with these demos..

edit
found it..

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Kinda interesting stuff, but just remember that this is only representative of this particular hardware combination. With Gallium+Mesa different gfx cards/gpus can give different results. It's not uncommon to see what in thery is a slower card beating what in theory is a faster card. A gf8xxx, or 9xxx is often faster than the gt250 showed here, despite the gt250 beging a faster card, and a gf4x0 and 5x0 are slower again, despite being much faster cards.

@Fishy_Fis

True.
Phoronix has confirmed that Gallium with low end cards have the same peformance or faster than nvidia driver.
I think nvidia driver are today super optimized for mid/high end cards, so Mesa and Gallium can cover very well the low end series.

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to watch in fullscreen 1920x1080

Unreal Tournemant 20004 Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAvaBDedgY

X2 Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfhOzTtn_r8

Tremulous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz2Z5K3iToA

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Mesa and Galliun on Athlon64 3500+ with Geforce FX 5900XT 128MB

A part Quake Arena, where maybe is very cpu hungry, some others test are very interesting.

on GTS 250 with E8500, X2 is a slow slideshow, while on Athlon64 3500 and FX 5900XT is smooth in window 800x600 and fullscreen 1024x768
On GTS 250 with E8500, Tremulous in 1024x768 take 2 fps, while on Athlon64 3500+ and FX 5900XT take 90 fps.

i have to try other games, but the beginning says it all.

however ioquake3 on FX 5900XT:
Windowed
640x480: 135
800x600: 99
1024x768: 63
1280x1024: 47

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@Seiya

you could make these bar diagrams a little smaller, size doesnt contribute to readibility,

>why is the AROS quake fullscreen so much slower the Linux fullscreen, considering how close the result in windowed benchmarks.

I think that Aros only have a "windowed mode"
so fullscreen is "full window" in fact
I mean gallium draw in a surface then copy it to (screen->) window->bitmap with AROSMesaSwapBuffers() ...
see in :
AROS\workbench\libs\mesa\src\gallium\state_trackers\arosmesa\arosmesaswapbuffers.c

A true fullscreen mode should juste change the screen's bitmap pointer not blit it

Alain