Hi!

Good news - bad news...

I've just got answare from Invictus team.
They have no right to release any Amiga version of OnEscapee.
However that is not an issue of the original contract to release
at non-Amiga platforms, e.g.: the mentioned pc release.

So they would be happy to release or help to make an OS4 version of OnEscapee
if Amiga1/OS4 is not Amiga in the eye of the law.

So we are here again. Is it an Amiga or not :)

I am not a lawyer, so every serious help would be useful.

@Lazi

Well a Pegasus isn't an Amiga, that could have a version.
An AmigaOne is an Amiga.

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Sorry, currently I am just interested in OS4 version.

@treblesix

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Well a Pegasus isn't an Amiga, that could have a version. An AmigaOne is an Amiga.

I'm not so sure about that...

It depends on how the contract is formed and what commodore did back then with the
patents (i.e. how did they define an 'Amiga' exactly?!)

IMHO an 'Amiga' is (literaly) a special kind of computer hardware with some custom
chips etc. which is able to run AmigaOS. I.e. the bundle of special hardware and OS.

According to this definition, the A1 wouldn't be an 'Amiga', but an 'Amiga compatible'
(to some extent) computer. But all depends on the exact words in the contract:

If they forbid a port in the contract for something like "AmigaOS", we're stuck, but it
would be possible for Peg/MOS.

If they forbid a port for "Amiga or any compatible" we're both stuck.. AOS and MOS.

But, if they just forbid a port for "Amiga computers" a clever lawyer could say, that these
are only the classics as build after the Commodore design and a port might be possible.

But i'm no expert by any means, so i'd say without any lawyer having a serious look at
the contract, we can't say anything..

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@treblesix

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An AmigaOne is an Amiga.

Would it be a statement of the curt in this case? Could you be more precise?

@Lazi

It'd be quite funny if, for the sake of having onEscapee released, the AmigaONE was shown not to be an Amiga

In any case, I'm pretty much confident that anything that is able to run AmigaOS and has "Amiga" in the name could legally be considered to be an "Amiga"...

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@All

Let's not discussed "this or that is an Amiga" please.

@Lazi

could you ask them what is written in their contract?
Usually companies take a licence for a specific OS running on a specific CPU. So if we are lucky, their contract might be for OS3 on 68k. Thus OS4 on PPC wouldn't be the same and a port would be possible.

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@elwood

What is the position of the company that released the original Amiga Version?
Have they been contacted (answer may be in this thread - its all got a bit confusing)

If they are no more, does the contract still exist?
If the contract does exist, can it be bought out or signed/handed over?

I think it was mentioned that no-one can contact them wasn't it?

There must be someone who knows what the situation is, and is in a position to actually give answers

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@elwood

As I know Lazi, he's not questioning the circumstances of the A1 but that's another story. But I'm aalso curious if we (or any of us :) can do something for this.
If it'ss not possible to port because of any reasons from the law, then it will remain to a privilege for the good old A4K for me...

@Rudei

These are all information we are trying to figure out. Well, at least Lazi is doing the job to ask Invictus.

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@elwood
...and we're all really grateful for that, I think. It can be good to know anyone from the glory days. I also would buy the OS4 version if it will release to have with the first original one.

@elwood

It'll be interesting to see what they define 'Amiga' as, that's for sure.

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@falemagn

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In any case, I'm pretty much confident that anything that is able to run AmigaOS and has "Amiga" in the name could legally be considered to be an "Amiga"...

Do you really think that an Amiga forever equipped windows machine is an Amiga?

Think about these:
1. My A1 motherboard has no Amiga printed on.
2. My A1 cannot run Amiga OS 1.x, 2.x, 3.x.

I think it is an Amiga, but what thinks the law and justice?
This is the question.

@Lazi

I guess when u r running Amiga Forever, i'd have thought legally, you are using an Amiga.

You are using the ROMS, WB, games, utils.

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@elwood

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could you ask them what is written in their contract? Usually companies take a licence for a specific OS running on a specific CPU. So if we are lucky, their contract might be for OS3 on 68k. Thus OS4 on PPC wouldn't be the same and a port would be possible.

Yes I could, but before that I would like to gather any info
that could help to describe the situation for them.

@Reynolds
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As I know Lazi, he's not questioning the circumstances of the A1 but that's another story.

That's right!

OT:

I did not heard about you from 'Nica! Have you joined already the
AOS4hu mailing list?
A1 rulez?

@elwood

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@Rudei These are all information we are trying to figure out. Well, at least Lazi is doing the job to ask Invictus.

Not at all! Rudei asked about the company that released the game.
That was Sadeness software. I do not know anything about them.

Invictus is the developer. Sadeness is the right holder for Amiga releases.
I can manage the Invictus part of the story.

@treblesix

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I guess when u r running Amiga Forever, i'd have thought legally, you are using an Amiga. You are using the ROMS, WB, games, utils.

As far as I know there was a lot of discussion about the legality of the emulation itself.
There are a lot of differencies of the law in different countries.

So, an UAE release is equal for an Amiga release, but OS4 is not an UAE for the A1.
However an Amiga 1000 is an Amiga, but cannot run onEscapee like an A1.
??????????

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@Lazi

A can of worms my friend, , a large can of worms.

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@Lazi


OT:
Yepp, I've joined to that forum a few months ago, although my net access is a bit hectic.
I've heard about an A1Owners-only gathering organized by you. Is it true?
We could invite Akos (Divianszky) as well, to introduce the new board/system, if he can be interested.

Reynolds