@Zorro

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Bottom line : sadly the µA1-GX owners can't use linux (and os4 also, for now...) with full-dma despite having a "fixed" board...

This is slightly wrong...
You are using DMA right now on your microA1-C, infact the USB driver, the ethernet driver and the sound card driver all use DMA (with AOS4)

What you can't do right now, is to use an UDMA enabled IDE driver, which will be released with the next update.

Ciao

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@Seer

So how do you listen to the sales man or the tech dude?

he is making a product, this product will pay for the food on table and bring cash to the company he works for, don't you think it is in his interest that product sells?

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@NutsAboutAmiga

So how do you listen to the sales man or the tech dude?

The Tech dude shouldn't need to talk to te customer, not his job. At best, he needs to tell his manager and marketing department and after sales support about any "technical problems" and a (possible) sollution or a future one. How to deal with that info towards customer relations is not up to him.

The sales man is just their to sell me a product. Most people expect him to know all their is to know about all products he sells but most of the tie, he doesn't. He should know about the serious things, but I really doubt that any sales man can tell you about a "bug" of the latest VIA chipset of P4 CPU.

The after sales department or customer support should know how to keep the customer happy after he bought a product with a defect he wasn't told about before he bought it. Either a refund, or a sollution to the problem.

he is making a product, this product will pay for the food on table and bring cash to the company he works for, don't you think it is in his interest that product sells?

Sure, but nobody should expect him to talk to the customers. That Roque en EntilZha are (still) here to help us out is rather unusual. Or do you expect to get your Windows XP or Mac OS X questions to be answered by the main OS programmers ?

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@Seer

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Sorry to say, but not every (potential) buyer is reading this website and certainly not every thread

In this case, he doesn't even know about the GX problem. And until OS4 is released in it's _FINAL_ form, this is not a problem.

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However, I fail to see how that would be your "problem" as you are not involved in marketing or customer relations ?

Luckily, not.

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Stil, I doubt it's a really big problem.

We are trying to isolate the problem, and when we find it, we can probably build a workaround. As I said, it should be fixed in the final release.

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Sure, but nobody should expect him to talk to the customers

Unfortunately, the Amiga realities look different

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@all

First thing, could we all agree that browsing the net, is a fundamental
part of using your computer now-adays, most people browse...
Now, I have bought a µAmiga1 a couple a months ago and I have to admit
that the problem with IBrowse and the GX ,had me in despair until I learned of the : cpu NoExternalCahe command and its effect (stable but slower browsing with IBrowse). Now I'm browsing AmigaWorld and other sites ,no problems at all.
In my humble opinion ,it is in everybodys interest that the problem is solved,
Eyetech's ,Hyperion's ,the IBrowse team and the µAmiga user.
We are all in this together!!!!

/Aakerlund

µAmiga1 and A4000.

@EntilZha

In this case, he doesn't even know about the GX problem. And until OS4 is released in it's _FINAL_ form, this is not a problem.

Perhaps you should feel proud. OS4 Update 2 seems as good a RC as it is. Who needs a webbrowser anyway ?

We are trying to isolate the problem, and when we find it, we can probably build a workaround. As I said, it should be fixed in the final release.

It's finding the problem that's the problem it seems

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@EntilZha

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Sure, but nobody should expect him to talk to the customers

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Unfortunately, the Amiga realities look different

It sure does.. Looks like people expect it from you and your brother. And when you do it's seems like hell on earth.

Anyway, I hope he personal problems you have are not to serieus, good luck to you both.

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@m3x

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Quote: Bottom line : sadly the µA1-GX owners can't use linux (and os4 also, for now...) with full-dma despite having a "fixed" board... This is slightly wrong... You are using DMA right now on your microA1-C, infact the USB driver, the ethernet driver and the sound card driver all use DMA (with AOS4) What you can't do right now, is to use an UDMA enabled IDE driver, which will be released with the next update.

Yes, I know it. But with "full-dma" I was referring to the dma also for the IDE.

And I know that OS4 is being worked on but it would be nice if linux also could be made "full-dma" enabled...

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@EntilZha

Please, if you could find out, did they (?) simply
take the same module that is used for the FX and glue
a GX on there, or is it a different module that may
require some special something like a different L2CR
setting ?

@Zorro

So I guess the real question is - how did Hyperion get blindsided on this? I mean this is an AmigaOne partnership after all.

Just to save the flames I'll say it more than likely had something to do with the salesmans desire to sell something irrespective of what engineering says....

"Product not ready....ship it!"

Sucks :-/

@JKD

i would guess that the gx chips were either were easier to obtain/cheaper so they substituted it in the place of fx chips. manufacturing facilities tend to do this kind of thing without customer knowledge. the rationale is we can't sell less than we promised so instead put something larger/better in it.do you know what the difference is between a 5 horse engine and a 6 horse engine? a little sticker on the top of the engine.

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Just to save the flames I'll say it more than likely had something to do with the salesmans desire to sell something irrespective of what engineering says....

we all despise salemen what the ... are they thinking, we sell you fix?

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So I guess the real question is - how did Hyperion get blindsided on this?

I knew the GX would eventually come, but at the time of writing, I was the only one who had one, and thus it wasn't tested properly.
So at that time, it there was already GX support in the kernel, just not ready for deployment... bad timing, I'd say.

Besides, I followed the documented procedure of flushing the cache. I was even aware of the errata (like the miss-under-miss problem when missing the L2 cache).

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@EntilZha

I'm a GX owner and I'm not worried a bit. I have full confidence in you and the
rest of the OS4 team to fix this. Sooner or later, no matter.


The truth is that I have not seen another OS4 machine so I can't thell if every
crash, minor GR or other things are GX related or not.
But except for IBrowse I do not have any software that gives any major problems.

Btw, those few µA1 owners that have a FX chip, do they have any problems with
IBrowse?


/Harry

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Stil, I doubt it's a really big problem.

It would be a massive problem in the PC world IF it breaks MS Excel (illustrating an example). X86 world can’t afford break incompatibilities with old OS/software i.e. AMD K8 can still run every X86 OS that was designed on IBM PC/AT.

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Every PC has some kind of "bug" (Sorry Rose). They are either patched by a hardware revision, BIOS update or drive patch. Nothing uncommon.

Depends on the particular “bug". CPU related "issues" in PC world usually gets fixed by microcode patches via BIOS updates. Most of software (“show stoppers”) incompatibilities gets solves during large scale “engineering releases” initiatives.

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@EntilZha

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Maybe, maybe not. Do you actually experience these issues with other apps ?

Maybe. When I stop getting crashes, I'll know I'm not having these issues.

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Quote: On my Amiga's, newer processors worked with the OS and applications compiled for older processors

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No, they don't. Ever wondered what the point of 68040.library and 68060.library would be ? The 68060 is not compatible to old code since it's missing some instructions. These are emulated through processor exceptions once they are executed, or with programs like cyberpatcher they are patched over after they are executed for the first time. So no, your idea of the magically working code is completely wrong.

I didn't attibute the fact that my older software written for earlier processors worked with newer processors to the use of "magic". The operating system included the libraries necessary for compatability or in the case of third party processor upgrades (like 68060), the library was included on a disk along with the hardware. The fact remains that it worked.

I don't remember receiving a GX.library with OS4 or my MicroA1.

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Bottom line, Rose's comparison was straight to the point.

If by "straight to the point" you mean that comparing Commodore's publicly announced transition from the 68000 to the 68020 processor to the unexpected transition from the FX to the GX PPC processor is accurate, I'm afraid I have to disagree. At the time I purchased my µA1-C, all the publicly available specifications I found stated that the µA1-C used a 750FX processor. In fact, the specifications listed on some dealers WEB sites (like SoftWare Hut) still list the processor that way.

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I have a microA1 as well (gx) and after some frustrating IBrowse sessions i switched over to
AWeb. The constant crashes have stopped (although even AWeb froze my machine when visiting
microsoft.com but i somehow expected that). AWeb istelf has some issues of its own, but
i can live with them.
So if anyone gets highly frustrated with the gx issue, do yourself the favour and use AWeb
in the meantime while the "bug" is getting fixed.
(written in AWeb)