The KDE team article about the KDE vs. Apple media-generated war

Last edited by opi on 24-May-2005 at 10:55 AM.

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KDE developers don't think that Apple should do more than they're doing now

The story I read was that the KDE developers where disappointed that Apple didn't directly commit to their CVS, and that users consequently complained about the lack of the features.

In any case, it's off topic-

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What do I - the inventor of the number "3" know about running a small computer program that measures light, hue, depth of field and a whole other lot of tests that showed conclusively the image consisted of more than one seperate image combined.

Sorry, but that makes no sense. We're not talking about photographs here, we're talking about screenshots. There's exactly nothing that a spectral analisys can discover about it, for the simple fact that any screenshot is a composite image. Cutting the output of firefox and pasting it into the IBrowse frame isn't any different than making a screenshot of Firefox and have IBrowse display it, just to make an example.

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Just look at the whole post to see where Druidpoet is coming from

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Theodosius wrote: @falemagn Just look at the whole post to see where Druidpoet is coming from

Tellytubby-land perhaps?

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There's exactly nothing that a spectral analisys can discover about it, for the simple fact that any screenshot is a composite image. Cutting the output of firefox and pasting it into the IBrowse frame isn't any different than making a screenshot of Firefox and have IBrowse display it, just to make an example.

A spectral analisys can tell of an image has been modified. Slight changes in brightness of peoples monitors for example can mean two images are slightly differant levels of saturation. (Edit: Meaning they edit theimage to hbe brighter based on what they are seeing - not that the monitor effects the image )

However in this case, the program was able to pick out the join quite easily as somebody cropped the internal image just a little bit too closely and broke the graduated shading on the black.

It's not impossible to escape detection from close scrutiny, but you have to be aware of what can be detected by software so you don't leave clues. This image was designed to fool the eye, not a computer.

Last edited by DruidPoet on 24-May-2005 at 01:53 PM.

Ah - it can't be TOO difficult to port Contiki, can it?

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hehe tellytubbies.

Although I hazard to guess that the new game "Kill All Humans" was inspired by Druidpoet's presence on Earth...

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Strange! On my Safari 1.3 (v312) the reference image shows a nice blocky smiley face, and the "Take the Acid2 Test" shows a yellow pile of crap on a red rectangle.

(and it downloads a Untitled file with the contents ERROR)

Amigaworld looks nice however but the browser can't handle to many animated smileys. It's gonna fall into a heap when OS4 gets released!

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whoops! spelling!

Last edited by Intuitioned on 28-May-2005 at 10:22 PM.

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Actually, it does. Safari is the first one to pass the test. Konqueror doesn't, though, and that caused a bit of an uproar with the KDE maintainrs - they claim that Apple is doing the best to make merging Safari changes back into kHTML as difficult as possible.

Actually, well, AFAIK, the Safari changes to let the ACID2 test pass is not done and incorporated in a real browser version yet, just like probably lots of others may have improved versions of browsers in-house.

Anyway, tailoring the browser to render that specific page is not what is the point. The point is to make a browser that follows the spesifications and behaves in a well-defined so that developers and users can trust on their browsers. (Mind you the ACID test has some strange tests too, but it gives a good indication on the state of the browser, MS Internet Explorer sucks at it for instance. Opera and Firefox does a far better job)

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